Five Nights at Freddy's Updating and Clean Up Effort

Well, the whole Big Bad thing gets tricky because the first game made it seem like Freddy was the main villain who was leading the others in killing night guards for no real reason, then 2 brought in the Puppet who was the supposed new villain and then 3 brought in Springtrap and the games made the latter the main Big Bad even over Freddy himself (with the exception of 4 wherein Springtrap only makes a cameo in one of the minigames and even then you have to go out of your way to find him). Also, I don't remember seeing the whole "the kids can't tell the difference between the killer and the night guards (whoever they are at this point!) theory. I think it's only been implied but never outright stated.

Edited by FirstAidRules on Aug 22nd 2022 at 8:53:52 AM

First Aid's correct in that it's only been implied. Implied heavily, but still just implied. The closest we've ever gotten to outright confirmation is Phone Guy's FNAF 2 calls. With that being said, all of the implications that the games seemingly point to as reasons the animatronics kill render them not culpable, so I don't think Big Bad is even properly applicable here.

Even in Charlie's case, she's still just a little kid who lacks the forethought to realise that killing people indescriminately has- or would have, if she were alive- greater consequences. Especially since Afton never faced any for killing them, and the company never faced any for the Springlock situation, or, anything else they've ever done. That's not much better than an 'animal'.

I'm getting off topic, but, my theories aside, the story and the gameplay are at odds here. There is a main animatronic antagonist in every game, and technically you could list each as the Big Bad of thier allotted game for that reason, yes. Mechanically, that's correct. But that supposedly goes against the greater lore, and bars them as characters from any of the Big Good and related tropes, which is a problem.

I do not think it goes against the greater lore? Or that they are contradictory. Just ensure that it lists them as Big Bad for that specific game and not the larger franchise. Like Baby in Sister Location. It would be contradictory if say, the lore or story said William is the Big Bad of FNAF 1, but he is not, as said before he is a GSV for the games until 3. In cases like Charlie the gameplay and story go hand in hand, sense the story shows she is the one leading the Animatronics at that point.

With the 'Animatronics think you are the killer' thing, I am not sure that it is even implied? As said before, as early as the second game there were other possibilities for why they are hostile raised (That they are simply hostile to adults in general as a result of what happened to them), to me it feels like its just another theory from the old days before we got more info.

The only time the Animatronics thinking the MC is William is brought up is with the Sister Location animatronics, seemingly because Michael looks like William did at this point. And that cannot be the case with the OG's because they were killing or trying to kill nightguards who were not Michael.

Edited by Snoketrope on Aug 25th 2022 at 1:00:33 AM

Given that in 1 and 2, we don't know why Freddy and the Puppet are murdering the nightguards other than "fun and giggles" at the time, 4 has the Nightmares being the main antagonists with William being an Easter Egg and Security Breach only has Burntrap showing up in one of the endings for an utterly humilating cameo, then they can count as the Big Bad given that the whole story wasn't revealed 'till much later. But again, we need to consider the whole Big Good thing.

I still disagree that the theory is obselete- just because we know nobody else actually looked like William, doesn't mean they didn't look like him to the spirits, among other things- but that's neither here nor there.

I did agree that it counted on some level, and to that I'll also agree to listing each of them as the Big Bad of thier allotted game, in itself.

Yeah, I think that's what Snoketrope was getting at, William's the Greater-Scope Villain (except possibly in Security Breach), but each game has a group of animatronics that's led by one specific one trying to kill the player (except 3, maybe) and William is only directly the Big Bad in 3 and Pizzeria Simulator as well as the VR game.

Now that the main page for FNAF 3 has been sorted out, I'd like to repurpose the cleanup folder for that game's other pages, starting with the characters one if necessary. Does that sound good to everyone?

Yeah, I agree with that, particularly because the Character page for the guards says that the Fazbear's Fright Security Guard "could be interpreted" as the Only Sane Man, even though Pizzeria Simulator implies he's Mike like the others.

This is only tangentally related, but, is that 'Character Pronoun and Identity' thread currently going on in Wiki Talk only for active issues? I think it would be nice to get a final policy on Mangle for the sake of consistency, but it's not high on the list of things still yet to be updated. That and, I can't help but feel like that's swinging at a hornet nest...-

I don't think it only covers active issues, from what I've seen on it.

Yeah, I think it's best not to bring up Mangle for not wanting to bring up arguments and Flame Wars

Bumping because Funtime Foxy was discussed in the Character pronoun and identity discussion thread and consensus is to use they/them.

I have no problem because as the page says, not even casting Joe Gaudet in Ultimate Custom Night is concrete evidence for Funtime Foxy being male because it's evident the voice came from soemwhere else.

If that's the norm for when a gender is unclear go for it.

Alright....so....how do we handle the Tales from the Pizzaplex revealtions about Glitchtrap? Namely the heavy implication that he is not William. Because of the whole Mimic deal. Do we wait for Tales from the Pizzaplex to wrap up first before doing a split?.

Well, how canon is Tales from the Pizzaplex?

Wait for Tales of the Pizzaplex to wrap up first. After all, we already got into a discussion about the books mostly because the books keep contradicting the games, e.g. claiming that Charlie is a robot of the previous one in the books but the games show she became the puppet and later Lefty.

That's a different book series, though. Those specifically took place in an AU. So did Fazbear Frights, I think. Even then, Charliebot only happened because the real Charlie got killed.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 3rd 2023 at 6:32:16 AM

I still say wait considering this series isn't gonna wrap up until next year and as we've seen multiple times, the stuff that fans come up with has a chance of either getting canonized (Freddles) or de-canonized (Mike heavily implied to be the protagonist of most of the games after it was hinted they were different characters, so for instance on the Infinite Loops character page 0 to F for Five Nights at Freddy's anchors, we have this: This is outdated according to the actual lore of the franchise. So it's best to wait until the series wraps up before we start making changes.

According to this clarification from Scholastic. Tales is indeed within the game continuity.

I am still personally for waiting for Tales itself to conclude or for Ruin. Just in case another curveball comes in future books about this. As an aside, if \ when we do decide to treat Glitchtrap as a separate character then William would he be removed from the page or could it just be reformatted? I heard 2 characters can be on one page if they are connected enough. And in Mimic's case he is trying to become the next William and fulfills William's role in the 'Steel wool' era. So maybe the page could be reformatted into either 'the purple guy'(Sense Glitchtrap keeps the Color Motif of purple) or 'The Killers'.

Yeah, it's best to wait for the stories to fully wrap up before making the decision. Glitchtrap can stay considering that up until this point, he was thought to be William Afton yet again. I think we should maybe change his entry and several of the other pages for both characters and game entries to say that the real Afton died in Pizzeria Simulator and the Ultimate Custom Night is basically what he's going through in Hell and the one seen in Security Breach and VR is Mimic and not the real one like previously thought.

I think we should wait for Tales and maybe Ruin to end before we decide.

Edited by RandomTroper123 on May 5th 2023 at 8:36:45 AM

Alright....

So now we know. Mimic is 100% within the games. But there is nothing technically making it clear that he is Glitchtrap or Burntrap sense it has a new body....but it feels like at this point, it's pretty clear what they are going for? Or is it still too sketchy to do and we should wait till Tales wraps up? My personal vote would be to just treat them as Mimic for now as it seems to be what recent media is going for. But if we get some huge 180 twist we can change it back.

I personally say wait because of all the times this series has pulled major 180 degree twists on us like Pizza Simulator heavily implying Mike Schmidt was all the previous protagonists whereas fans thought they were all separate like the writers on The Infinite Loops.

I disagree personally. Like, the Mike thing was kind of just confirming an idea people already were starting to have at the time. I think if a big twist does happen we can just revert it back.