A guy wearing a disguise and trying to (badly) mimic the actions of a different previously-established character isn't a persona. In the same way that a Spy in Team Fortress 2 doesn't have his own folder for every class he disguises as.
As it stands, Red Hulk is just a stronger, dumber and more monstrous version of Thaddeus Ross. It's like how Ganon from The Legend of Zelda is the transformed final version of Ganondorf: he may look and act differently, but it's ostensibly the same guy.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."Possibly, but it's still a version distinct enough to have plenty of his own tropes that don't apply to normal-Ross, so why not put them in a separate folder for simplicity sake?
BTW, I can cite many counterexamples to your spy argument, like the American Dad! - Roger Smith page having separate folders for each of his different persona, even though it's essentially the same guy playing different roles for fun.
Anyway, I'd really like to have other people's opinions about this.
I don’t really see the point considering how Hulk is treated as a different person than Bruce and generally gets more pissed off whenever he's referred to as Banner or other people try to appeal to him thinking he's still Banner but that's not the same with Ross as Sam was able to talk him down, so he is still Ross when he’s Red Hulk, just really stressed out and angry.
Actually, Red Hulk also gets angry the first time Sam tries to calm him down by calling him "Ross." I have more the impression that it only worked the 2nd time because Sam told him to think about Betty, and just like Bruce's, Ross's transformation still cares about Betty deep down.
Besides, Betty herself was able to calm Hulk down by calling him "Bruce" in The Incredible Hulk.
In addition, I'd say that even if the two are more or less the same individual (which is debatable), Red Hulk is still clearly a state of Ross different enough from normal-Ross to justify giving him his separate folder.
I mean, White Vison is technically the same being as the original Vision, and yet he has his own separate folder. How is that any different?
Because Vision was explicitly reprogrammed to be a completely soulless weapon, with no traces of his original personality left. Even if he gains his memories back thanks to Westview Vision, he's essentially a reincarnation of a being that used to exist, without any real connection to who he was before. Essentially, White Vision is the Amaterasu to the Original Vision's Shiranui.
Meanwhile, Red Hulk is literally just Ross, but mutated and angrier. He's literally the same guy, just on fire gamma steroids.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Apr 1st 2025 at 11:37:34 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."Come on, that's very reductive. Red Hulk doesn't look or act like Ross at all. Heck, he doesn't even speak.
For instance, if he had his own folder, one could add The Voiceless to him, among many other tropes specific to him. But if he shares his tropes with normal-Ross, then it doesn't work because Ross does talk. Unless you add "This trope only applies when he's Red Hulk but not when he's his normal self" or the opposite every time, but that would be unnecessarily complicated. Giving Red Hulk his own folder would make things much, much easier.
Red Hulk is literally a big, red version of his regular human form, so saying that he looks nothing like Ross just isn't true. And just because he doesn't speak doesn't mean that he's suddenly a different character. We don't trope any of Dracula's animal transformations as separate characters, because at the end of the day it's just the same guy with a different appearance.
It feels like you're overcomplicating the issue yourself here. Sure, The Voiceless only applies to Red Hulk, but it's pretty easy to state "As the Red Hulk, Ross only roars and shouts". It's in the same league with saying "As Spider-Man, Peter can shoot webs to swing around the city" or "As Iron Man, Tony Stark can fly". There's only a handful of tropes that apply to Ross-As-Red-Hulk specifically, so making an entire folder for them would be superfluous.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."Well, he retains some of his facial features, but he becomes a huge mass of muscles colored red, so they don't look that much alike...
Anyways, the main reason why I think Red Hulk should have his folder whereas Dracula's transformations shouldn't is because: 1. In the latters' case, Dracula keeps his personality and is undeniably the exact same character, and 2. Usually, his transformations appear so briefly that there wouldn't be much trope to give them, so it'll be pointless.
Red Hulk, on the other hand, appears long enough to have quite a good number of tropes exclusive to him, not only related to his appearance and abilities, but also his personality. If there were only "a handful" like you say, I'd agree that it wouldn't be worth it, but there are quite a lot, and there's probably going to be many more to come.
Edited by Mimic45 on Apr 1st 2025 at 11:39:29 AM
I could fall into a vat of purple food coloring and paint black marks on my face to look scarier, but that doesn't change the fact that I'd look pretty much the same, sans a different coloration.
And no, there really aren't that many tropes that are Red Hulk specific. Most of the tropes on his page are about Ross as a person specifically, and in fact, most of the entries that involve Red Hulk are about the culmination/aftermath of the transformation rather than the transformation itself. And he doesn't appear long enough at all, he's seen in the movie for about 10 minutes at most. That's less than any of the previous MCU gamma mutate characters.
At the end of the day, there's just not enough screentime for Red Hulk to justify giving him an entire folder. He's essentially the final boss's One-Winged Angel form that causes havoc for a few minutes, and then is talked into turning back to normal so he can be thrown into prison. He doesn't have movie upon movie upon movie to build upon their differences like regular Hulk did, so there's just little reason make him a a whole folder for him.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."You wouldn't be more muscular, though.
For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Red Hulk had more screentime than HulkKing.
Maybe it's juste me, but when I read Ross's newly recreated page, I really did feel that there were quite a lot of Red Hulk-specific tropes scattered all over (admittedly a relatively small number compared to Ross's, but still a lot), and that having them in a separate folder would make things much better.
I am against the idea of making the red hulk a separate folder personally.
Would this be better as a caption or quote for Muse
"The city is finally starting to see me for who I really am."
Edited by Bullman on Apr 1st 2025 at 10:09:34 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadI ultimately went with it as the quote. Now we just need a caption and civilian image
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadLooks like I got outvoted regarding the Red Hulk folder. Too bad, I thought it could be a good idea, but if you guys disagree, that's fine.
There are a few other points that I wanted to discuss:
For starters, I noticed the Hellspawns from GotG Vol. 3 (War Pig and Behemoth) are on the MCU: Cosmic page. Would that be okay to move them to the MCU: Orgocorp page, considering, you know, they're bad guys?
Alright, I took care of it.
Another point I'd like to discuss is that Jim Paxton is on the MCU: United States Citizens page. Since he's Cassie's stepfather and he helped Scott against Yellowjacket, shouldn't he be either on the Scott's Family or Scott's Allies page? I mean, he was a pretty important character in the first Ant-Man film, arguably moreso than Maggie, and he reappeared in the sequel which makes him a recurring character, so it feels odd to leave him on a page that's mostly for minor characters.
He is definitely an ally at least, maybe extended family member, as Scott has a good relationship with him as of AMATW.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!Definitely an ally, I'm unsure about "family."
PS I wanted to check something in the edit history and realized we moved Sylvie's section around five times already (not counting the original page), and it took me a while to find all the relevant pages.
A request: could we please at least clearly state in the edit reason which page we move the character to/from? It could make searching stuff in the future easier.
- On the old page: Moved to (link to the new page) per discussion(link).
- On the new page: Moved from (link to the old page) per discussion(link).
- Created on Jun 14, 2021, see Characters/MCULoki, page history
- Moved on Jul 2, 2021 to Characters/MCUMultiverse, page history
- Moved on Aug 12, 2021 to Characters/MCUOtherLokiVariants, page history
- Moved on Mar 2, 2022 to Characters/MCUSylvie, page history
- Moved on Sep 13, 2022 to Characters/MCUSylvieLaufeydottir, page history
- Moved on May 5, 2024 to Characters/MCULokiVariants, page history
I checked another one, Wanda:
- The first page was cut (?)
- Moved 1,6k bytes on Feb 28, 2015 to Characters/AvengersAgeOfUltron, page history
- Moved 22,7k bytes on Apr 26, 2016 to Characters/MCUNewAvengers, page history
- Moved 63,1k bytes on Feb 23, 2021 to Characters/MCUScarletWitch, page history
- Moved 151,9k bytes on Sep 13, 2022 to Characters/MCUWandaMaximoff, page history
That's not fun.
Edited by Asherinka on Apr 3rd 2025 at 1:49:44 PM
Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.

As brief as his appearance may have been, Red Hulk was still undeniably one of the most memorable things about Brave New World, and I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people who would read Ross's page because they're interested in Red Hulk specifically more than Ross himself. Having Red Hulk's tropes in a separate folder rather than leaving them lost among Ross's would make things easier for them (plus, it'll be consistent with what we did with Bruce Banner's page).
Edited by Mimic45 on Mar 31st 2025 at 7:34:08 PM