I would just remove the Armors entirely personally.
Edited by Bullman on Dec 18th 2023 at 4:31:12 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadHere's a sandbox for how Iron Man's armors could be reorganised.
I'm still committed to keeping accessory folders on CSP since it's more convenient when you're looking for tropes specifically based on their signature weapon or suit.
I agree with Doctor Sleep and support his proposal, it seems to me to be the most practical solution.
My concern is if it’ll be enough to handle the bytes problem. Like I said, we need to do a cleanup of his tropes first and then let’s resort to other solutions. The problem I can see with his page is that there’s too many quotes and examples below the tropes and that’s why I removed a huge amount of them. I feel like there’s more to remove still.
I am still not for keeping the items folders. It is like a legit rule that we aren't supposed to trope inanimate objects and a lot of MCU pages are actively breaking it. Like the armors are not characters and have none to speak off and troping them like they do makes no sense especially when they just add to the byte count unnecessarily.
Like the Cloak of Levitation is a character with a personality and such so troping it makes sense. Even Mjolnir has at least some personality as of Love and Thunder. Cap's shield doesn't have a personality or character and neither does any of Tony's armors.
Edited by Bullman on Dec 19th 2023 at 2:37:35 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadI mean, yeah this has been discussed to death and we are literally not allowed to trope non-characters on character pages. Those tropes need to go, not just be pushed to another characters page.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall(With that said, I did keep an archive of the armors' folders on my computer to see if I can integrate their tropes in the movies they appear in.)
I should also mention that I feel the Infinity Stones deserve to have their own character page since they've proven to be sentient in the past.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."I feel like at least some of the general tropes like Chest Blaster for his armors should be folded into his main page. Permission to find some erased tropes worth keeping?
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy on Dec 19th 2023 at 10:05:23 PM
Sure.
Am I good to get rid of other folders for objects such as MCU: Peter Parker's suits?
Edited by Bullman on Dec 19th 2023 at 8:02:26 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadI removed the suit folders from Peter. I will try to find the right place for some folders later.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadI went ahead and went through some other pages for objects that should or shouldn't stay and here are my thoughts:
- MCU: Nick Fury: His SUV does have an AI so some of the tropes can stay, but some of the tropes that just refer to the car in general should go.
- MCU: Phil Coulson: Unless I missed something in the show, Lola is not a character and needs cut.
- MCU: Masters of The Mystic Arts: All of the mystic objects need to go. The Cloak is fine but that's on Strange's page.
- MCU: Wong: Chop the Wand, not a character.
- MCU: Jane Foster: Mjolnir's fine
- MCU: Robbie Reyes: His car isn't a character, cut
- MCU: Hela: Her helmet isn't a character, chop it.
- MCU: Gorr: The Necrosword is shown to be at least sentient if not sapient, so it's probably okay
- MCU: Hammer Advanced Weapons Systems: I could go either way on if the Hammer drones count, but I'm inclined to say cut. I don't remember them having any advanced AI.
- MCU: Adrian Toomes: The Vulture suit has no character, cut
- MCU: Mysterio: As bland as the elementals are, they're meant to be "characters", so they're probably good to stay.
- MCU: Cosmic: All of the "general" folders on the planets need cutting. The planets themselves aren't characters anymore than a vehicle is. The species are one thing but the planets themselves need to go - Morag, Sakaar, Ria, Berhert, Contraxia, Titan, Zen-Whoberi, Vormir, The Garden (which, since the only inhabitant is Thanos, can probably go entirely), Kylos, Lamentis-1, Indigarr, Grundar, Gangalor, Counter-Earth, Krylor, Aladna, Maveth, Chronyca-2, Kitson, and the Shadow Realm.
- MCU: Asgard: Cut the "Nine Realms" and "General" folders. Again, planets aren't characters (unless you're Ego). Also, this is off topic, but since when did the "Enemies of Asgard" get moved there? That makes no sense. That's like listing Thanos under "Avengers".
- MCU: Knowhere: Again, cut the "general" folders for the planet and the bar.
- MCU: Nova Empire: Again, cut the "general" folders under Xandar and the Kyln.
- MCU: The Sovereign: You guessed it, cut the "general" folder.
- MCU: Dimensions: Cut all the general folders for locations (general folders for species can stay)
- MCU: Multiverse: Go through the "general" tropes and cut all the ones that relate to the locations instead of the characters.
- MCU: Earth-838: Cut the general folder.
- MCU: The Lighthouse: Cut the general folder.
That's a lot of bullet points but there's a lot of stuff, especially locations, that don't belong on character pages. Anyone have any objections/thoughts/ to anything on the list?
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Dec 19th 2023 at 10:13:39 AM
One thing I’ve noticed about Tony’s page that definitely contributed to its massive byte count is that the movies keep getting linked when they’re mentioned. Let’s keep the links in the appearances section for the character pages and simply just italicize the films rather than linking them because it takes a lot of bytes.
I vehemently disagree. The planets are made up of societies and people. I agree there's nothing to trope if it's a dead, deserted planet (or if it's just one guy living in the planet like The Garden), but if groups of people can have In General tropes, I don't see why planets cannot either, especially since they often tend to be a Planet of Hats.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Dec 19th 2023 at 8:17:07 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."There’s a difference between a species of sentient individuals and literal planets. One is a group of people, the other is just a location, and a location isn’t a character. Yes, tropes for them can apply and go where they need to go, but I don’t see how they’re “characters” who get character tropes
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Dec 19th 2023 at 11:18:12 AM
So then I ask a genuine question - if a location can be a character because of the people in it, then why aren’t Tony’s suits characters because of the man inside them? If we readily agree that Iron Man's suits aren't characters, then how does that concept not translate to non-sentient locations?
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Dec 19th 2023 at 11:22:38 AM
Note that locations are controversial enough that people are suggesting an entire namespace just for them
. But yeah, as far as the rules go, these pages are for character tropes and character tropes only. And this isn't the place to debate against what was established everywhere else.

If we're going with the "inanimate objects are not characters" policy, shouldn't we get rid of them?
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."