The Hulk and Goblin are the results of mad science experiments gone wrong, and are both ultimately “fixed.” Moon Knight isn’t perfect, but it’s a hell of a lot better than those two and shouldn’t get lumped in with them.
Ultimately, I feel just calling them Moon Knight is safer and less likely to offend people. I believe there were a few people in the show’s thread who had DID, maybe we can ask them?
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When talking about a character who transforms into a giant green rage monster, does it really matter how he gained DID? The point is he has it, same with Goblin.
I do think it might be good to get an outside opinion from people more in the know instead of me being a pedantic nerd about it.
Edited by GateStarX on Sep 14th 2022 at 7:49:11 AM
It's gonna be fun on the bun!Hey ~Whowho, ~wingedcatgirl, do you think you could chime in on how to respectfully name systems with DID?
Edit: I forget the format for calling tropers, and I don't remember whether the formal term is pinging or paging them so I'm not sure of what term to look it up by either.
Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 14th 2022 at 11:02:02 AM
To a first approximation, the correct way to refer to a system is whatever they tell you it is. We don't go to this fandom, so we don't know what, if anything, the character(s) in question have said regarding this.
Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.I don't think that it's ever explicitly addressed, but they each insist on being referred to by their own names, and Marc's (their?) wife treats them as specific individuals within one physical body, even if she spent most of their relationship knowing the Marc alter and assuming he was a singlet. For what it's worth, at the beginning Steven mistakes Marc for an invader who stole his body until he realizes their shared common history.
Just calling it Marc Spector will be confusing because the overarching thesis of the show is that Marc and Steven are completely separate people with their own distinct personalities, wants, and lives who happen to inhabit the same body and eventually co-manifest at the same time.
Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 14th 2022 at 1:36:26 PM
Ok now I am going to be pedantic. Steven Grant and Jake Lockley are Not Moon Knight. Marc Spector is Moon Knight. Steven Grant is Mr. Knight. Jake doesn’t have an alter ego yet. So by the logic I’m hearing calling it Moon Knight would be equally be problematic.
What’s wrong with just going by the legal name of the physical body? Forget literally everything else. The body is Marc Spector. That’s how he was born and raised. Marc Spector developed DID as a result of childhood abuse, creating Steven Grant to help cope with the trauma. While Steven did have habitual appearances, he never really started living a life of his own until the death of Wendy Spector. Then the events of Moon Knight happened and Marc and Steven learned to coexist. That is good mental health wise and good for both characters, but the face remains that physically and legally the body is Marc Spector. Marc Spector was chosen by Khonsu. Steven and Jake exist and are both equal to Marc. But the body is still Marc Spector. They are multiple people in one body, the body of Marc Spector.
I’m also trying to keep everything uniform name wise. If Moon Knight keeps his name people are going to wonder why characters such as Iron Man or The Hulk aren’t named like that. Keeping a uniform naming scheme prevents this. Exceptions lead to difficulties down the road. When new pages are created. People will use Moon Knight as a precedent as to why not naming a character after the Alter Ego.
Edited by GateStarX on Sep 14th 2022 at 10:56:49 AM
It's gonna be fun on the bun!Steven is never actually referred to as Mr. Knight in the show, we just know that's what he's called because he's a comic reference. The system gets collectively referred to as Moon Knight from time to time in the comics, and Oscar Isaac tweeted
himself with the iconic "We are Moon Knight" line, meaning viewing the system collectively as Moon Knight is a completely valid and creator-endorsed way to interpret the show version of the characters. Besides, the ending heavily implies Khonshu sees Jake as his Moon Knight over Marc.
There is no reason to believe a single exception out of dozens and dozens of otherwise consistent pages, from a character who is specifically famous for having DID which already self-justifies the different name scheme, will not create the catastrophic failure state you envision. As said before, insisting that every single page follows the same arbitrary name scheme and that you are the only person qualified to make this decision is frankly, ridiculous. It's at least 6 people in favor of leaving it as MCU: Moon Knight against the 1 right now, and this is a collaborative effort.
Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 14th 2022 at 2:29:56 PM
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I did not unanimously decide anything. This has been a group effort. All I’m trying to do is keep the pages consistent. I don’t get what’s so hard about it. I am not the sole judge of anything. I’m just trying to convey my side of the argument in a logical manner to my understanding. I’m also not the only one against this.
Literally every other source from Wikipedia to the MCU wikia to the literal comics has Marc Spector listed as the real name of Moon Knight. While Steven Grant is just as valid and important and Marc Spector, all I’m trying to prove is that as the original personality, Marc Spector’s name should be the one used. Explain to me how it is ableist or has unfortunate implications to have the legal name of a character and that is disparages Steven in any way. His literal intro on his page talks about Marc Spector as the main personality. If he was arrested and prosecuted, or went to a hospital, he would be tried or listed under Marc Spector. It’s nothing agains Steven or Jake. Just that the body is named Marc Spector. Why not just have a redirect for Steven Grant and Jake Lockley.
If you don’t want Marc Spector’s name, then come up with something else. How about MCU Marc Spectors System.
Edited by GateStarX on Sep 15th 2022 at 12:14:25 PM
It's gonna be fun on the bun!Can I propose renaming it something similar to Star Wars – Darth Vader and Servants like Marc Spector and Alters
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy on Sep 15th 2022 at 4:01:01 PM
I'm not against it. I'd rather just stick with Marc Spector, but this is a good compromise for now.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!Marc Spector and Alters
Also, I'm seconding the question raised by Gate Star X earlier in the thread. Should Loki be called Laufeyson or Odinson? The OG character never calles himself Laufeyson in the films, but he does use the Odinson patronymic.
Ravonna calls the TVA Loki Laufeyson in the show, but he himself refers to Odin as "my father".
Using the old family name for an adopted person who would not use that name themselves is kinda mean, I think. Not quite deadnaming, but close to it.
Also, we can always just keep him as "Loki" with no patronymic if there is no consensus.
Edited by Asherinka on Sep 15th 2022 at 10:02:47 AM
Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.

I remember somebody saying that Moon Knight’s an accurate representation of DID while Banner and Osborn are just Hollywood versions. I don’t think that’s true because experts have pointed out the inaccuracies
of its portrayal before.
It’s just as flawed as the other portrayals in the MCU.
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy on Sep 14th 2022 at 10:41:33 PM