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GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#2576: May 5th 2025 at 8:33:07 AM

This is starting to become a case of Lumper vs. Splitter in an ideological sense and I think the argument is getting us nowhere.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2577: May 5th 2025 at 8:36:29 AM

I mean there is another option. Merge the Thunderbolts that aren't John or have their own page into MCU: Avengers, which is pretty small. Them plus Joaquin for Sam's team would put it over 100,000 bytes which I would be more fine leaving a page at.

Edited by Bullman on May 5th 2025 at 10:37:09 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#2578: May 5th 2025 at 8:36:32 AM

Most of the CSPs that have been cut/split because they didn't meet "last resort" standards ended up being restored anyway (including Ross in particular!) because as it turns out that their existence actually benefited to keep us away from "last resort" scenarios. So I'm not convinced by the "avoid making CSPs" argument.

If the mods have a problem with a CSP existing, they can come down and say it themselves. Otherwise, I say we do what's good for us in the long term. And making a CSP for John would solve a lot of problems.

[up] With that said though...this idea isn't a bad one. If we don't mind spoiling the asterisk at this point that is.

Edited by MatthewWayne on May 5th 2025 at 8:40:21 AM

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MB74 Since: Feb, 2024 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#2579: May 5th 2025 at 8:38:49 AM

[up][up] Considering Thunderbolts* just came out, I’d hold off on that idea considering them being branded the New Avengers is a spoiler for the end of the film

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2580: May 5th 2025 at 8:39:56 AM

Yeah, I asked about it earlier and it wasn't answered. I think it works well.

Edited by Bullman on May 5th 2025 at 10:40:44 AM

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GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#2581: May 5th 2025 at 8:40:30 AM

[up][up][up][up]Aren't the New Avengers different enough a team that Sam is suing them over it? I'm not sure how much sense it would make to put them together. Also that would be jumping over the spoiler issue, which I'm not sure we should do just yet, even though Marvel themselves are filling spoiling it already.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2582: May 5th 2025 at 8:42:08 AM

My main concern is the spoiler aspect of it all.

But at the same time, only having one character (Joaquin) have a folder would look really weird.

Edited by Bullman on May 5th 2025 at 10:44:31 AM

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MaxyGregoryyyy Jedi Knight of the Republic from Madripoor Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jedi Knight of the Republic
#2583: May 5th 2025 at 8:53:22 AM

Not if we folded Pietro back he only has like 50k bytes and won’t be coming back anytime soon. Maybe Rhodey too? There’s no current plans for him and his variant only has a few bytes. This folding back the Thunderbolts/New Avengers to that page also brings to mind another dilemma: it's titled the same as the Avengers team on Age of Ultron and Civil War.

Also, I’m in the process of removing the Avengers variants below so expect that page to lose a sizable amount of bytes.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2584: May 5th 2025 at 8:57:13 AM

[up] But we also can't merge CSPs per mods orders.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#2585: May 5th 2025 at 8:59:05 AM

[up][up] Why are you doing that?

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MaxyGregoryyyy Jedi Knight of the Republic from Madripoor Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jedi Knight of the Republic
#2586: May 5th 2025 at 9:05:52 AM

Feels more appropriate to put them there as some organizations were on those multiversal pages like HYDRA on Multiversal Foes. I discussed it here. It looks way too much like how when we didn’t have the Multiverse pages and we randomly just inserted variants below certain pages or below a character’s folder.

Also if we can’t fold CSPs yet, this feels like a bridge to cross much later.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#2587: May 5th 2025 at 9:08:05 AM

I really don't want to have to add more bytes to those respective pages, but for the sake of consistency...yeah, okay.

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Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
#2588: May 5th 2025 at 9:11:54 AM

From memory the warning usually doesn't crop up until around 250K. We can hold off for a bit.

MaxyGregoryyyy Jedi Knight of the Republic from Madripoor Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jedi Knight of the Republic
#2589: May 5th 2025 at 9:15:09 AM

I put it through a byte counter (while also removing the unnecessary folders like the members folder of each team). It’ll only add 3k to Multiverse and 1.6k to Designated Universes. It’ll be fine.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2590: May 5th 2025 at 9:32:43 AM

To be clear, Marvel itself has been spoiling the Thunderbolts twist left and right recently. If that should mean anything to how we treat the character page, I am unsure.

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GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#2591: May 5th 2025 at 9:45:37 AM

If Marvel is spoiling it left and right, then sorry to the poor bastards who haven't already seen it then. I guess we can just treat them as the New Avengers then.

Edited by GateStarX on May 5th 2025 at 9:46:01 AM

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Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
#2592: May 5th 2025 at 11:02:44 AM

Even if they are the New Avengers, that doesn't mean their time as the Thunderbolts stopped existing.

Also we don't know if 1) all of them will stay on until the next time they appear, 2) if they'll be any new members between now and next time

Ergo I still think it's better to treat Thunderbolts as the main point of focus until proven otherwise

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2593: May 5th 2025 at 11:04:15 AM

[up] Considering they are all confirmed to be in Doomsday, I think it is safe to say they will stay on.

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Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#2594: May 5th 2025 at 11:07:22 AM

There, more spoilers by Marvel.

I think we should:

  1. Rename the page to The New Avengers. Do not move them to the Avengers page.
  2. Move Taskmaster to the Red Room
  3. Wait with John Walker a bit (I wouldn't be against splitting him off immediately though)
  4. Split off Bullseye

PS This was the moderator's post:
SeptimusHeap: There has been a question about character pages mergers given the closure of this thread. Yes, please don't merge character pages with each other. Putting more than one character into the same folder is also an issue.

I wrote them a PM before that:

[...] Should we also stop merging MCU character folders and only proceed with splits and moving characters around? It would be great if you could provide a clarification in the first thread I linked.

PS2 I'd like to remind that:

  1. We got the warning for MCU: Multiverse with a lot of folders at 220k bytes;
  2. We did not get the warning for MCU: Loki Variants with 12 folders at 260k bytes. We agreed to split Loki off anyway.

Edited by Asherinka on May 5th 2025 at 2:21:31 PM

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2595: May 5th 2025 at 1:52:48 PM

[up] Again the former was because it had so many folders.

I still stand by 220,000 being a good point for most cases.

Am I good to move Joaquin to MCU: Avengers?

Edited by Bullman on May 5th 2025 at 3:55:39 AM

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GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#2596: May 5th 2025 at 2:03:35 PM

[up]Sure go for it.

Regarding the Thunderbolts members, I did some checking and Walker's folder is actually longer than Yelena's entire page. So make of that what you will.

Edited by GateStarX on May 5th 2025 at 2:06:58 AM

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#2597: May 5th 2025 at 3:41:19 PM

Before we split, it might be worth going over the folder and seeing if it needs any cleanup for shoehorning or word cruft. I've noticed some behemoth entries in his section that are probably way too long.

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#2598: May 5th 2025 at 3:42:46 PM

I believe the mods (or Septimus at least) have said that some notable change to character pages is coming, but we haven't actually got the details yet. So we're in an awkward limbo for now and whatever we do here, we may have to change later. The one thing we've been told is not to merge pages.

I don't think the Marvel spoilers should matter. We should still treat is as a spoiler, and given the name of the movie, I think it makes sense to leave it as "Thunderbolts".

MB74 Since: Feb, 2024 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#2599: May 5th 2025 at 3:48:36 PM

[up] It involves every character getting their own CSP but otherwise no clue on what else that entails.

We can probably merge, but "it’d be pointless"

[down]You and me both

Edited by MB74 on May 6th 2025 at 8:42:05 AM

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#2600: May 6th 2025 at 3:45:19 AM

I do have a lot of questions. This may well bring as back to the question of who/what counts as a character. How to deal with multiversal variants. The incredibly minor characters people keep adding to pages despite having few if any tropes. But yeah, we just have to wait and see.


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