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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1251: Jun 5th 2025 at 2:20:12 PM

Well… he doesn’t *like* it or think it matters in comparison to the force, but as we see in Rogue One if someone risks its completion he *will* be pissed - even if just on the Emperor’s behalf.

J2367-34r2H Aspiring Film Director and Writer from Warren, Ohio Since: Aug, 2023
Aspiring Film Director and Writer
#1252: Jun 5th 2025 at 2:57:12 PM

Sometimes, I think Vader would say this to Dedra if she ended up on his radar during Season 1:

Vader: Your intuition is a double-edged sword, Supervisor Meero. You raise valid points, but I sense there is something greater underneath your analysis. Supervisor Blevin is correct, Lieutenant. I suggest that you steady the ladder before you start climbing. And if you are not careful, your ambition will be your undoing. Am I understood?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1253: Jun 5th 2025 at 7:05:40 PM

A fun video I ran into with the Andor imperial cast, a snippet of an interview where they talk about why they think the villains in Star Wars are nearly always British.

Mostly sharing because I think it's interesting that Denise Gough initially tried emphasizing her natural Irish accent for Dedra before changing her mind.

But Ben Mendelsohn's theory about why the trope got so codified, beyond just the usual "Americans are trained to think of Brits as evil" idea, was really interesting. He basically posited that for a lot of classic films the villain was the most commanding role and thus required a big, acclaimed actor known for a lot of gravitas, and in those days most actors with that kind of renown were classically trained Brits. And then it just stuck.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 5th 2025 at 7:08:41 AM

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#1254: Jun 6th 2025 at 7:45:27 AM

Full Chandrilan version of Niamos is finally out; should be up on Spotify and the like everywhere

Edited by TheAirman on Jun 6th 2025 at 9:46:08 AM

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#1255: Jun 6th 2025 at 7:47:07 AM

[up]Unfortunately it says that the video is currently unavailable…

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#1256: Jun 6th 2025 at 8:51:21 AM

The beginning of Rogue One makes it seem like the Death Star has been rumors for years but is becoming more concrete if not an Open Secret. It is a little at odds with Andor which makes it seem like it was locked tight until the very end, with the cover of an energy project, but at the same time the security leak to Luthen is what got them on the path of the Erso family and Jedha.

Reminds me a little that the Manhattan Project was known to foreign intelligence agencies because once the nuclear bomb was deemed feasible all the US physicists who would be vital in making it stopped publishing papers.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1257: Jun 6th 2025 at 8:52:47 AM

Rebels also shows that they were on the trail of something big for years, finding proof here and there. It's just that nobody really believed could be as big as it seemed for years.

When Luthen finds out about the Death Star, he does note that the Rebellion is already aware of the bits and pieces of it, just that they didn't know before now how all the pieces fit together.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 6th 2025 at 8:54:04 AM

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#1258: Jun 6th 2025 at 10:34:20 AM

"The Empire is up to something evil and big!"

"Cool story bro. Next you'll tell me that Tatooine is dry. Need some deets."

"The Empire is up to something evil and big and it involves the ginormous supposed energy project, Kyber Crystals, and the key to everything is on Jedha and some guy named Erso!"

"... okay, that's considerably more actionable."

Edited by Larkmarn on Jun 6th 2025 at 1:34:37 PM

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Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#1259: Jun 6th 2025 at 11:29:21 AM

I really liked the various hints that were spread across Rebels, while there were multiple other Imperial conspiracies that made it more difficult for the characters to figure it out. Things like Palpatine sponsoring an excavation on Lothal. I also like that the crew of the Ghost were accompanied by Saw Gerrera during a few discoveries, such as the decimation of Geonosis and the Imperial delivery of huge crystals. Saw's presence there also helped muddy the waters, because he is pretty much a paranoid conspiracy nut, whose very presence will make people disbelieve the more weird explanations.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#1260: Jun 6th 2025 at 12:13:08 PM

It's still so delicious to me that after almost 2 decades, untold amounts of credits, resources, manpower, secrecy and planning, the Empire lost it's precious Death Star right after it's first deployment.

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#1262: Jun 6th 2025 at 12:54:08 PM

And several useful higher-ups got killed, like Tarkin and Yularen. No wonder Palpatine was angry.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#1263: Jun 6th 2025 at 1:52:41 PM

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Honestly, between Andor, Rebels and Rogue One, the Empire's leadership really got hammered even before A New Hope.

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Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#1264: Jun 6th 2025 at 2:16:09 PM

I just re-watched Rogue One for the first time since finishing Andor. It is interesting how the show changes my perception of some scenes and elements. At the time I remember how much it was pointed out how grim and gritty Rogue One is compared to previous films, but now it instead feels very optimistic and much closer to a conventional SW film, even with the bittersweet end for the characters. The film also becomes an even better prologue to ANH. Another curious thing that changes a lot with Andor is Cassian's relationship with Jyn Erso. Initially, their interaction comes across as a fairly typical action-movie romance, kinda shallow and depending on the adrenaline caused by the situation. But with Cassian's chronologically earlier relationship with Bix, the relationship in Rogue One suddenly becomes much more platonic. The final embrace becomes also an expression of needing comfort from another person in their final moments before death. It just makes me so glad how the show made Star Wars even *more* enjoyable.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1265: Jun 6th 2025 at 2:25:33 PM

I still ship Jyn and Cassian because I fully believe Cassian did not intend to seek Bix out.

That was a big breakup from his perspective, which was not what Bix intended.

It means the inevitable encounter afterward would have been hilariously awkward.

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#1266: Jun 6th 2025 at 2:28:01 PM

[up][up][up] Given the Empire's inspirations, and who is in charge, no wonder people keep stabbing each other as a daily thing.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1267: Jun 6th 2025 at 2:46:39 PM

I really liked the various hints that were spread across Rebels, while there were multiple other Imperial conspiracies that made it more difficult for the characters to figure it out.

It's really the craziest thing about what the Rebels were up against. Yeah, Death Star was a huge, horrifying conspiracy, and it may have been the worst of the Imperial conspiracies, but by that point there were so many horrible conspiracies and terrible superweapons or research facilities up to so many other terrible things that until they had more information anything they found could've been any number of things.

Like, Bad Batch, Rebels and Jedi: Survivor each had Death Star hints in it, but all of those had their own terrible Imperial conspiracy to deal with. There were just so many.

It's still so delicious to me that after almost 2 decades, untold amounts of credits, resources, manpower, secrecy and planning, the Empire lost it's precious Death Star right after it's first deployment.

And all it did was shoot at two civilian targets (albeit, each one had the leader of a Rebel cell on it), so it didn't even adequately do its job as an anti-Rebel weapon.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 6th 2025 at 2:48:29 AM

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#1268: Jun 6th 2025 at 3:37:37 PM

[up]It also shot at their own facility, in probably it's most successful operation

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EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#1269: Jun 6th 2025 at 4:21:33 PM

While Rebels, Fallen Order and others can be said to be stories about certain Rebel groups, Andor is about the Rebellion as a whole. The Empire is always oppressive, but the excessively brutal actions taken in order to build the Death Star only contributed to its' destruction. What Andor does extremely well is it outlines everyone had their reasons several times over in why they are fighting the Empire, the ax forgets but the tree remembers.

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DavidMerrick from Ottawa, ON Since: Jun, 2018
#1270: Jun 6th 2025 at 5:18:24 PM

The thought that the final arc of Andor, Rogue One and A New Hope all unfold over the span of 1-2 weeks maximum is incredibly funny to me in the best way. In the course of a few days the Empire just repeatedly knees itself in the balls, and then the Rebels swoop in for a few firm kicks. The Empire isn't finished off, merely recovering and regrouping, but even then it's dead or at very least on life support only four years later.

I'd be so pissed to be a (likely only very recently promoted) high ranking Imperial military officer finding out about Death Star II after all that. Death Stars are basically sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads as far as Palpatine's concerned, his deadly but incredibly impractical dream that he chases to the bitter end at the bottom of a reactor shaft.

Edited by DavidMerrick on Jun 6th 2025 at 8:23:21 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1271: Jun 6th 2025 at 7:46:14 PM

Andor is about the Rebellion as a whole.

Andor is about rebellion as a concept as a whole, but I'm not sure I would say it's about the Rebellion as a whole. Luthen is only a particular (though very important) cell, one of many, and while he did do a lot of work connecting disparate cells together, he's not the only one to do so and a lot of stuff was getting done without him.

And by the time the Rebellion as a whole starts coming together in Season 2 of Andor, it's made clear he's not really part of that.

The thought that the final arc of Andor, Rogue One and A New Hope all unfold over the span of 1-2 weeks maximum is incredibly funny to me in the best way. In the course of a few days the Empire just repeatedly knees itself in the balls, and then the Rebels swoop in for a few firm kicks.

It definitely explains why Vader is so dang exasperated in Rogue One about Death Star setbacks. Like, another security leak?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 6th 2025 at 7:49:26 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#1272: Jun 6th 2025 at 11:55:49 PM

[up]It also shot at their own facility, in probably it's most successful operation

They did that to prevent the plans from leaving the facility - which also failed [lol]

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#1273: Jun 7th 2025 at 12:17:47 AM

^ And they only did that because Tarkin decided to shoot the planet first instead of the Rebel fleet - which also came back to backfire on him [lol]

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#1274: Jun 7th 2025 at 12:22:35 AM

Tactics like that show how Tarkin is actually a heavy-handed moron, like so many other Imperial leaders. Though it is a little less apparent thanks to him being played by a British actor like Peter Cushing, because it makes him sound more intelligent than he actually is. That I believe is a big reason for the Evil Is Cool mindset in the fandom, that the Empire's general incompetence is masked by so many higher-ups speaking with received pronunciation, like fancy theatre-actors. But outside of Thrawn, there doesn't seem to be many Imperials that high up who are actually competent. Tarkin and others just brute-force their way through problems, until the square peg has been irreparably broken to fit a round hole, with lots of dead soldiers and broken gear. In Andor season 1 we saw some genuine Competence Porn among the lower and mid-level people at the ISB, but just as many lazy bums and people who have clearly been Kicked Upstairs, so the system rewards stupidity and backstabbing, that ends up wasting whatever competent people they have.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1275: Jun 7th 2025 at 12:26:40 AM

... if we didn't know pretty darn well that Tarkin was like the worst non-Sith human being alive, I'd almost believe he was a secret Rebel agent with that track record.

Like, the Death Star was such a hideous loss for the Empire.

I love the. Trillions of people have to suffer for the sake of the Empire's incompetent ideas. And then those ideas backfire intensely, further breaking the Empire's grip, yet even so all those people had to suffer for it.

I hope we get Ghorman rebels in future stories. We don't know how badly this went: was the planet destroyed by the mining, resulting in the rest of the Ghorman population either dying or scattering to the winds (like Alderaanian survivors). Or maybe were the Rebels able to come to the Ghormans' aid?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 7th 2025 at 12:30:18 PM


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