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Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#1226: Jun 2nd 2025 at 1:10:42 PM

Yeah, you can lose consciousness from sudden sharp pain. Luke also looked really messed up when he lost his hand, though most of it can be blamed on the emotional turmoil. It might be that the traumatic shock and torrent of emotions helped him power through the pain of being literally disarmed, allowing him to use that adrenaline-rush to escape from Vader. But it was clear that he was spent by the time he was hanging from that antenna below Cloud City.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1227: Jun 2nd 2025 at 4:13:26 PM

Finally started the second season. Two episodes in.

The clinical, businesslike approach to the Ghorman Meeting. Sure, they say "this is only for precautions in case the worst happens" and "of course, a peaceful solution is the priority" but it's clearly a lie. The plans are already being drafted, the numbers have been tallied, the propaganda is already underway, the atrocity has already been justified and is now merely being efficiency tested. Cold, cruel - in true Andor fashion - chillingly familiar and true to life.

Perrin's speech at the wedding is a really great character moment. It seems like a normal, even heartwarming speech, but the kind of things he's saying, in light of the kind fo character we've known him to be thus far, are very revealing.


Episode 4:

Not for the first time, I worry what happened to Riyo Chuchi after the events of Bad Batch. She definitely ended that series on the Emperor's shit list, and this episode having Mon struggling to find allies in the senate on an issue Chuchi would've surely jumped to help with only makes me certain Palpatine did something nasty to her.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 2nd 2025 at 10:55:51 AM

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#1228: Jun 2nd 2025 at 11:53:16 PM

[up]I've assumed that every unseen good senator to be ousted and/or killed by the time of the show. I would be interested in seeing more of the Clone Underground shown in The Bad Batch, to see how well they managed to hide and adapt prior to the OT. There is also room to see how it went for supporters like Chuchi, who *might* have survived somewhere in exile.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1229: Jun 3rd 2025 at 3:39:39 AM

The clinical, businesslike approach to the Ghorman Meeting. Sure, they say "this is only for precautions in case the worst happens" and "of course, a peaceful solution is the priority" but it's clearly a lie. The plans are already being drafted, the numbers have been tallied, the propaganda is already underway, the atrocity has already been justified and is now merely being efficiency tested. Cold, cruel - in true Andor fashion - chillingly familiar and true to life.

The prevailing mood throughout the meeting is annoyance. The only people showing enthusiasm is the marketing people that are treating it as another corporate pitch.

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Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#1230: Jun 3rd 2025 at 5:00:40 AM

More likely the showrunner wasn't aware of her and wanted to focus on the story he wanted to tell instead of tying it together with other shows.

Speaking of continuity, it's portrayal of the Senate contradicts the scene in New Hope were the Moff's are genuinely worried about the Rebllion gaining political support, implying it still has enough power to challenge the Emperor until the Death Star came online.

ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#1231: Jun 3rd 2025 at 5:23:28 AM

[up]Not really? Remember the time skips and what the Senate is witnessing in the offscreen period, a bunch of attacks and arrests on other senators. Some clearly believe they can get out of this by compliance, but clearly being a senator isn't protection anymore, so people best look to their own. We simply don't see it as our POV characters are no longer in the Senate.

Mon was better able to rally the Senate as a target from the outside than a voice within.

DavidMerrick from Ottawa, ON Since: Jun, 2018
#1232: Jun 3rd 2025 at 5:39:00 AM

One wonders if Palpatine's decision to dissolve the Senate in the first act of A New Hope was spurred on by the institution becoming more vocal in the aftermath of the Ghorman massacre and Mon's speech. At that point, the Death Star isn't just Palps' ideal way of maintaining control; having a planet-killer on hand is perhaps the only way he could maintain dominance over an overstretched and increasingly shaky Empire.

God, I love how this show is getting me to look at A New Hope with fresh eyes, a movie I've known back to front since I was 7.

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#1233: Jun 3rd 2025 at 6:15:08 AM

Even if Tony Gilroy's script doesn't mention many of the contemporary characters seen elsewhere, I love how things still fit in with each other. We don't need a mention of fake defector Gall Trayvis, but Andor shows how the Rebellion is rising in prominence already in 5 BBY and that the Senate is seen as a threat by the ISB. Having Trayvis become a fake public of the Rebellion seems like a tool the ISB of Andor would use, to arrest potential trouble-makers. The events of Rebels in general can complement Andor quite well, especially as the former has more room for the fantastical elements that would be jarring if Cassian were to encounter them.

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#1234: Jun 3rd 2025 at 6:47:05 AM

I joked once that if the cast of Rebels were to crossover with Andor it would almost be like the Those Old Scientists episode from Strange New Worlds.

Sabine: Did you notice how slow everybody talks here?
Zeb: Yeah, and quietly!

And vice versa.

Hera: What's the matter, you look a little on edge?
Cassian: Nothing, it's just things usually never go this well. I'm half expecting the ship to blow up or fall out of the sky just to spite me.

Though I imagine these two would get along.

Chopper: Beep, whirl beep.
K2: Really. And I suppose they thought you were being excessive?
Chopper: Whirl, whirl.
K2: Typical.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1235: Jun 3rd 2025 at 7:15:54 AM

Andor: We have to kill your contact before he reveals everything!

[Ezra and Zeb bring back the contact after he's been rescued]

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Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#1236: Jun 3rd 2025 at 7:21:26 AM

I could totally picture K2 having a similar dynamic with Chopper that AP-5 has, except more laconic and wordlessly snarky. I would be curious to see Cassian's interaction with Rex, as he might not have as big of a grudge against Clone Troopers as Kanan, but he would likely hold his foster father's death against them. Andor as a whole has been the show that most of all focuses on the suffering of human populations within the Empire, while Rebels and other material has primarily shown how the human-supremacist regime treats non-humans. The treatment of Twi'leks and Lasat, as well as the humans from Lothal and Mandalore, could give material for the cast from Andor and Rebels to bond over in a crossover.

God, I love how this show is getting me to look at A New Hope with fresh eyes, a movie I've known back to front since I was 7.

I read recently an article on how Andor makes Han Solo a much better fit for the Rebellion, as their checkered past matches his own. In hindsight, the only ones who give Han any grief for being a mercenary part-timer are Leia and Luke, to a lesser degree. Leia has taken part in missions, but not as much in the nitty-gritty stuff, so she is more idealistic about the Rebel Alliance, on par with Nemik.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1237: Jun 3rd 2025 at 7:28:32 AM

Luthen wanted to kill Cassian for not being all in.

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Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#1238: Jun 3rd 2025 at 7:41:34 AM

Luthen wanted to kill Cassian for not being all in.

But Luthen was dead prior to Luke and Han joining the Rebellion, and not in charge of anything on Yavin. By that point, the Rebel Alliance was becoming a more unified and legit organization, while Luthen was a self-employed spymaster trying to unify a bunch of unrelated freedom-fighters. The commanders at the Alliance were likely glad to have Han with them for as long as they could.

Edited by Mara999 on Jun 3rd 2025 at 5:44:58 PM

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#1239: Jun 3rd 2025 at 7:55:49 AM

They thought they had all "True Believers" in the Aldhani job and that nearly backfired on them. Nemiks manifesto also said that mercenaries are a necessity, if only because everyone will have their own reasons for rebellion. I loved how Yavin was slated to be a sanctuary so they had a strict induction process. Saw and other groups were also included as part of the overall lore to demonstrate a line between the organized Band of Brothers that was the Alliance vs thugs who are near suicidal and avoiding cooperation.

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Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#1240: Jun 3rd 2025 at 12:19:59 PM

4[up]

Cassian: Look, I'm not a Jedi, or whatever it is you say you are. I don't always have a choice in these thing.
Kanan: Don't you? Lightsaber or blaster, can you really claim you have no say on who lives and dies?
Cassian: ...I wish I knew.

Edited by Avenger09 on Jun 3rd 2025 at 12:45:58 PM

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#1241: Jun 3rd 2025 at 1:15:57 PM

[up]Man, I really hope we get to see Freddie Prinze Jr appear as a Force Ghost in the next season of Ahsoka. I miss Kanan.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1242: Jun 3rd 2025 at 4:48:02 PM

Continuing on.

I like how the Ghorman Front has a knockoff Kleya operating its comms, which helps to illustrate how much less on the ball they are when the two characters have scenes back to back.

I love the scene where they look at Cyril's file and history, and read exactly the wrong assumptions about what it says about his character.


Oh, man the dramatic irony with Cyril and Andor on Ghorman is phenomenal. We know these characters objectives will inevitably cross face to face (and for once, Cyril has more to lose when it happens than Cassian does). But the question of when is grand.


Saw Gererra's a lot more bananas than I remember.


It's been hinted at here and there so far in the season, but I like that Episode 6 finally addresses the core difference between Cassian and Luthen: Cassian is willing to do the same ruthless, often horrible things Luthen is for the same reasons, but deep down Cassian cares about the lives involves. Which means that while Cassian is willing to kill innocents or let them die if it must happen for the sake of the cause or for security, he's unwilling to go into a situation where it will certainly happen just to make a statement. But Luthen, as always, is.


Ep 8:

Oh, man. That dawning realization as our heroes - and only our heroes - finally realize the scope of the trap Ghorman has walked into. Goosebumps.


Episode 8 was fucking terrible in the best way possible.


I was wondering how they would reconcile Luthen's Rebellion built on manipulation, paranoia, ruthless sacrifice (often of others), fear and solitude, with the Rebel Alliance's Rebellion build on cooperation, trust, unflinching devotion to each other in times of strife, etc.

Turns out the Alliance, though building on what Luthen created, was a separate Rebel organization created by Bail and Mon, which I like. No direct infighting where one supplants the other. Just... the Rebels one day decided they couldn't be he wasn't as worth it any more, same as what happened with Saw, to the point where the Yavin Rebels have a bunch of his former operatives.

—-

Okay, the only, only thing I didn't like about Mon's escape from Coruscant is how ineffectual it makes the Rebel Alliance, especially the end where they scrub Cassian's accomplishments under the rug to cover up the fact that they screwed up. I'd've preferred if the remains of Bail's team had somehow worked with Cassian to salvage the escape, rather than needing to be swept aside.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 3rd 2025 at 9:34:05 AM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#1243: Jun 4th 2025 at 3:11:17 AM

One thing that's fascinating (in a really depressing kinda way) is how many different people could look at that episode and cite an example of their own history it reminded them of.

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J2367-34r2H Aspiring Film Director and Writer from Warren, Ohio Since: Aug, 2023
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#1244: Jun 5th 2025 at 11:08:21 AM

I open these questions to everyone:

1. What if Vader came to interrogate Dedra with Krennic? How would he scold her for keeping the Death Star information to herself and trying to confront Luthen on her own? Woulf he disdain for her ambitious and maverick nature? How would he direct with the ISB's efforts to capture Kleya?

2. Worse yet, what if Palpatine showed up? Same questions as above, except for one; on some level, do you think Sidious would be impressed by Dedra's initiative and maverick tendencies? 3. All in all, regardless of which Sith stepped in, would it be an Understatement to say that Partagaz and Dedra would have a very bad day?

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#1245: Jun 5th 2025 at 11:58:00 AM

1: I don't think he would. He's an attack dog. He's a hunter, but up to this point he's been primarily hunting rogue Jedi. It's not beneath him per se (after all, going after the Death Star plans is literally the first thing we've seen him do in canon) but figuring out how to track them isn't his forte. At most, he'd be available to join the tactical raid. Which, uh, may have gone a bit differently if he were there.

2: Even less likely, and even less impressed. He's concerned about power, and Deedra offers him none.

3: Deedra might've had a better day.

Unrelated, but I can't get over how much more I like the Someone to Remember Him By compared to Star Wars Rebels that ends pretty similarly but whose use of it actually felt like it cheapened the character's death to me. In that show, the character died saving the life of his Love Interest, with a Big Damn Kiss and everything. So it felt odd that we fast forward a few episodes and find out they're already in an active sexual relationship and that Big Damn Kiss just felt less meaningful as it turns out the UST was in fact, resolved. I know that's just my own nitpick but I had to say my piece.

Edited by Larkmarn on Jun 5th 2025 at 3:26:31 PM

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Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#1246: Jun 5th 2025 at 12:02:09 PM

I am not sure about how things would go if Vader or Palpatine were added to the scenario, but I have pondered about Vader being a possible way for Dedra to leave prison. I don't think it would happen, or particularly want it, because her unhappy ending works so well with the story. But I could conceive a story where she gets to leave prison by some high-ranked officials's mercy, because she could be useful in the fight against the Rebellion. Once things go belly-up with the Death Star, the ISB pretty much begins to break apart, which reflects how the Empire itself is bursting at the seams.

During ESB Vader is someone very high up in the Imperial food-chain, while also outside of the conventional military ranking, and a complete maverick who is willing to do his own thing to get the job done. That's why he seems like someone whose authority could alleviate resources to find Dedra and give her a new job, with a very low tolerance for any failure. The problem is that someone needs to know about Dedra, and why she could be useful at all, after which they could offer her a second chance.

But another problem with such a sequel scenario is that the Empire has proven itself to be very, very inefficient, due to being bad at recognizing useful talent, and keeping the useful people alive when you need them. So I can't figure out why anybody would go through the trouble of locating Dedra and getting Vader to even know about her. Vader himself doesn't strike me as the type to keep tabs on random agents and bureaucrats, to look for potentially useful minions, so an existing minion would have to give him a hint about this mid-level wash-out from the ISB. For the same reason I'm having a hard time picturing Vader at Dedra's interrogation without him being bored and annoyed through most of the scene. Though it might be that he gets fed up with Krennic in the scene, and brings Dedra to Mustafar to do some archiving for him? In a scenario where she gets recruited Thrawn would be the best choice, because he values talent and is obsessive enough that he might be reading up on other agencies as recreation. But here the issue is that Thrawn has already been stuck on Peridea for a year or so at that point.

Edited by Mara999 on Jun 5th 2025 at 10:03:50 PM

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#1247: Jun 5th 2025 at 1:44:49 PM

Vader is only seen targeting upper leadership that fail him personally. Dedra is so far down the chain it wouldn't show up on his radar, and her mistake was a cluster of several loose-ends the ISB hadn't quite figured out and she ended up with the bag.

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Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#1248: Jun 5th 2025 at 1:48:40 PM

I agree. Especially as the effort needed to get her on his radar strains credibility too much, and even if she were to get on his team, she doesn't have as much to offer as his minions in the comics do.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1249: Jun 5th 2025 at 2:05:56 PM

From what we see from other works, Vader does come in to interrogate or lambaste officers, but not officers of Dedra’s rank or position.

He’s not the guy who comes in when Dedra Meera colossally screws up. Krennic (who runs the project Dedra endangered) comes in when Dedra screws up. Vader’s the guy who comes in when guys like *Krennic* screw up.

If it was Partagaz’ fault, maybe. It’s why in the end people tend to presume he was about to be taken to meet with the Emperor personally when in the end.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 5th 2025 at 2:17:04 AM

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#1250: Jun 5th 2025 at 2:06:41 PM

Also he doesn't even care about the Death Star that much. He's known about its construction for 20 years, he doesn't think it's that impressive, and it's just a bit out of wheelhouse. I don't see him being impressed at all that she learned out something he's always known about and never cared about. He's been off ignoring his boss talk about it.

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