Unclear Description: The Cameo

To-do list:

• Move any wicks and on-page examples that fit Continuity Cameo, Crossover Cameo, or Celebrity Cameo accordingly, and leave any wicks that only fit the supertrope at The Cameo. If The Cameo does not have enough on-page examples for the newly created trope pages (Crossover Cameo and Celebrity Cameo), crosswicking may be necessary.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 31st 2022 at 6:18:30 AM

Opening

Celebrity Cameo exists as redirect, we can TLP it and move most of the "intended" stuff there.

Since Continuity Cameo is a thing, I'd rather just make that's description more comprehensible, it seems to use "continuity" and "from another continuity" contradictory. If that would change the scope, it needs repair as well.

for drafting Crossover Cameo, though may need a better name. See no relation with Lawyer-Friendly Cameo.

The Cameo has quite a lot of subpages for a Super-Trope, at this rate it may as well be an index.

Edited by Amonimus on Apr 30th 2022 at 8:30:29 PM

honestly? that might be the best way to go about this. Restore Celebrity Cameo as a page and turn The Cameo into an index.

I was gonna suggest expanding to fit misuse, but I see no harm in splitting since The Cameo is broad and has several ideas worth having their own tropes.

Celebrity Cameo definitely has to be a trivia page.

I'd actually prefer expanding to fit misuse. The word "cameo" has a broader meaning than how this trope is using it, and other tropes like Early-Bird Cameo already use it for things other than celebrities.

Celebrity Cameo is a type of Shout-Out; "Hey, look at this famous person!" Stuff like "Remember that lion skin Hercules was wearing? That was actually Scar!" is very clearly about making a reference to another work.

Expanding The Cameo into an exampleless supertrope makes sense to me. Muppet Cameo would be a subtrope to celebrity.

I'm against expanding it because I think "a celebrity plays a minor character" and "a character from earlier in the work plays a minor role" mean totally different things. For one, the first one is actually better suited to Trivia as it's about casting.

The supertrope/index idea makes sense to me. Not sure about it being exampleless but most examples probably would fit the subtropes.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 30th 2022 at 2:23:57 PM

I support the supertrope/index idea. There are more than enough examples to move the bulk of the description to a restored Celebrity Cameo.

I support expanding to fit the misuse, if only because it would require less overhaul of the trope.

I fully agree with perspective of the different concepts.

Doing a Trope Transplant by moving the current definition to Celebrity Cameo and turning The Cameo into a supertrope (I don't have a strong opinion on whether it should be exampleless) sounds good.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2022 at 7:54:41 AM

I would say that examples wouldn’t be necessary as, once Celebrity Cameo and Crossover Cameo exist, that would mean most every possible example would be covered by the subtropes.

As a plus, the image would still be perfect for this page because it shows off a Celebrity Cameo and a Continuity Cameo that also happens to be a Muppet Cameo as well!

Well, it's not a Muppet Cameo as it's from a Muppet movie (albeit a cameo from another Henson property).

I actually don't think the image is quite illustrative as you can't tell the actor is playing a small role.

Edited by mightymewtron on May 2nd 2022 at 11:24:31 AM

The most common usage is "a character from earlier in the franchise makes a very brief appearance later in the work or in another work in the franchise" but IDK how to name that.

I also see some decent usage for fictional characters making a brief appearance in different works, which we suggested moving to Crossover Cameo.

Edited by mightymewtron on May 5th 2022 at 1:34:05 PM

So are celebrity cameos and crossover cameos the only tropes we need to run alt titles crowners for? I honestly can't think of any names other than Celebrity Cameo and Crossover Cameo, but I'll give others some time to suggest new names before making another crowner.

I think the two names for those are great as is. For the common one that is "character from same work cameos later on", I thought Continuity Cameo was the perfect name, but it already exists as a thing and is the cameo equivalent of a Mythology Gag. Considering Continuity Nod and Mythology Gag are distinct things, I feel like that's very confusing. Perhaps move the current definition of Continuity Cameo (character equivalent of Remake Cameo, essentially) to a new trope called Mythology Cameo and make Continuity Cameo the name for when characters in the same work briefly appear.

Eh, I'd rather expand Continuity Cameo.

That is... not the kind of expansion I meant? Or at least the crowner description sounds misleadingly broad.

I wasn't home, so I didn't get to explain further, but "cameo by fictional character in general" sounds like it includes crossover appearances. I was specifically referring to within-franchise cameos. Like if Darth Vader really briefly appeared in Clone Wars or whatever (I don't know if he does).

I've assumed one half meant like Previous Player-Character Cameo but not about games or protagonists, and the other actual brief appearances of characters from other series.