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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#1426: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:47:34 PM

Disney is still not wanting to have, at least, explicit gay romance in their big screen stuff.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1427: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:48:27 PM

It’s pretty shocking comparing queer representation in the Star Wars and Marvel comics compared to the movies because Disney doesn’t pay any attention to them. Doctor Aphra’s comics have her in hilariously toxic relationships where she and her exes are either making out or trying to kill her depending the day. Meanwhile the movies are too scared to show a wholesome gay couple for longer than a live slug reacting. tongue

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#1428: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:49:56 PM

Because comics bring in a lot less money than films, even if Disney is starting to slowly wean itself off of China.

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#1429: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:50:34 PM

The slug bit was a myth(Albeit, one that resulted in a great meme)

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1430: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:52:55 PM

[up][up][up] Hell the Transformers comics are very queer too with plenty of relationships between the bots of varying levels of toxicity and prominence.

Meanwhile the Michal Bay movies had a scene of a robot dry-humping Megan Fox's leg like a dog.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 21st 2022 at 8:53:07 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1431: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:54:07 PM

He reacts to things longer than the random gays are onscreen, I count it. tongue

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1432: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:54:35 PM

Because comics bring in a lot less money than films, even if Disney is starting to slowly wean itself off of China.

Again, people keep mentioning China like that's the only foreign market Disney wants to censor gay content for, when there are plenty of countries they seek to appeal to...and sometimes it isn't even about censoring gay content for foreign markets.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1433: Jul 21st 2022 at 9:00:44 PM

Hell the Transformers comics in general feature complex plots with nuanced themes and complicated characters with very diverse personalities.

Meanwhile the movies are just identical get the thing macguffin plotlines, with flat one-note characters and featuring loads of gay jokes, ethnic stereotypes, and misogyny.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#1434: Jul 21st 2022 at 9:55:38 PM

All the while Beast Wars, has yet to be dethroned as the reigning soveriegn of all televised Transformers content.

Idw's method of creating "complex storytelling" by lowering the morality of the heroes never really sat right with me. (As Star Wars has proved, you can have nuance in a story with a good vs evil moral conflict) Especially with how they handled the Human characters. Its like the saw how obnoxious Michael Bay had made them and decided just to pander to the vitriol they were getting.

Edited by Avenger09 on Jul 21st 2022 at 6:05:40 PM

uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#1435: Jul 22nd 2022 at 12:07:40 AM

It is true that tv series can get away with showing LGBT characters way more then mainstream movies. Though the Marvel Disney+ shows have not really reflected that so far, with only Loki having something in that regard and even then in a pretty downplayed way.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1436: Jul 22nd 2022 at 12:54:31 AM

[up][up] I’m not really referring to the Grey and Grey morality, just the fact there are characters with varying personalities and motivations which is a lot more than can be said of the movie.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 22nd 2022 at 12:54:41 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#1437: Jul 22nd 2022 at 1:31:52 AM

They were allowed to portray Coulson as bi in What If, but mostly that was a mix of his ambiguous queerness being grandfathered in plus having Queer People Are Funny as a "Just Joking" Justification to anyone who gets mad.

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#1438: Jul 22nd 2022 at 7:30:34 AM

[up][up]That's because the live-action films, with the exception of Bumblebee, are about as deep as a puddle of rainwater.

uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#1439: Jul 22nd 2022 at 11:57:42 AM

Concept art for an earlier, more alien design for Gorr I honestly think I prefer his final look, this one looks just way overdesigned.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#1440: Jul 22nd 2022 at 11:58:25 AM

Looks like a buff bearded Roger from American Dad.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1441: Jul 22nd 2022 at 11:59:06 AM

I wonder if there is any art of him looking more like a Twi'lek.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1442: Jul 22nd 2022 at 11:59:38 AM

I'm totally fine with how his appearance came out.

Apparently at least part of the advantage of going for the simpler look was the reduced need for effects shots.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1443: Jul 22nd 2022 at 12:00:10 PM

Holy fuck the dud has a very simple look in the comics, where do they come up with this [lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1444: Jul 22nd 2022 at 12:03:26 PM

Every show like this spends a lot of pre-production time on concept art. It's an opportunity for designers to go nuts: fling stuff at the walls to see what sticks. While it can provide a fun source of fan debates, none of it should be taken seriously as What Could Have Been. It's just stuff.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1445: Jul 22nd 2022 at 12:06:08 PM

I’ve read an interview with at least one Marvel concept artist who admitted to sometimes overdesigning stuff because he actually may not like the current art direction and hoped by making it look ugly the directors will be less inclined to pick it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1446: Jul 22nd 2022 at 12:07:43 PM

That is genius tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1447: Jul 22nd 2022 at 12:16:41 PM

I read it in How To Paint Characters The Marvel Studios Way; it’s a pretty interesting read.

Another funny story I read in it was from an artist who apologizes to cosplayers because at cons she often encounters Doctor Strange costumers who lament her complicated designs for his cloak. Designs so intricate they can only be sewn by hand.

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fanman "To watch it all burn." from Earth-Prime/Earth-1218 Since: Feb, 2022 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
"To watch it all burn."
#1449: Jul 24th 2022 at 3:54:56 PM

Honestly, I feel like Disney is in this weird place where they're too conservative for progressive audiences and too progressive for conservative, at least for us here in the States. On the one hand, there's the aforementioned Valkyrie queer erasure and the censoring of The Owl House, which has cheesed off the liberal audience (myself included). On the other, if you look up the Baymax moment I mentioned earlier on Youtube, you'll find videos about how Disney is "grooming" kids (I'm not joking), there's the "M-She-U" bullshit going around, and they threw a hissy fit about a black woman in Obi-Wan's show.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1450: Jul 24th 2022 at 4:25:09 PM

I'm sure that's intentional. Disney is playing both sides, so that it always comes out on top.

The populations of those groups who would actually boycott a movie are a very vocal minority. By not swinging too hard either way, Disney coffers will still catch the "well, this sucks, I'll still go see it though" parts. And as long as they get box office money they don't care.

Like, I'm a Film Twitter leftie who is deeply cynical about the mouse house's halfhearted swings at representation. I still saw this film in theaters.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 24th 2022 at 6:25:46 AM


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