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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1401: Jul 20th 2022 at 10:32:22 PM

Add Lazorgator and we’ve got a misotheist trinity.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#1402: Jul 21st 2022 at 4:56:20 AM

Just wondering does anyone know if Valkyrie's quest for a queen was ever really going to be a thing? Was it in cut or deleted scenes or was it was just exaggeration/hype?

Just thinking there might have been some obfuscation on the real meaning of the title Love And Thunder that's made clear at the end.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 21st 2022 at 12:56:37 PM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1403: Jul 21st 2022 at 5:54:45 AM

As far as the title is concerned, I thought it was a very minor pun on the relationship between Jane and Thor. I was absolutely stunned by its use at the ending, which was brilliant.

As for Valkyrie... I maintain that Disney insisted that the exposition scenes about her be written in such a way that they could be easily cut for the Chinese market. Who knows how much material was left on the cutting room floor, but it doesn't seem like Waititi would have filmed an entire side-quest centered around her.

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ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#1404: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:07:41 AM

[up]Except they don't seem to have actually edited the film for China? And given that it's looking more and more like it will be the seventh MCU movie in a row that was denied permission to be seen in China, it's starting to look to me like the China excuse is wearing a bit thin for Disney.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1405: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:09:29 AM

There are plenty other markets Disney cuts gay content for, they haven't been releasing MCU movies in China in a while.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1406: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:09:37 AM

[up][up]You try explaining that to the executives...

[up] That too, I guess. Soon enough they'll be releasing no-gay cuts of films in some US states.

I did not remember that about China. One less excuse.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 21st 2022 at 9:11:00 AM

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#1407: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:10:12 AM

[up][up][up][up]One uh slight issue with that is that China have not been letting in any Hollywood films to boost their own sales.

Edit:

Edited by miraculous on Jul 21st 2022 at 6:11:14 AM

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1408: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:12:33 AM

Maybe, just maybe, Disney execs are homophobic and the foreign market excuse is blown out of proportion to hide it.

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Lost in Space
#1409: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:14:24 AM

I was hoping not to have to come to that conclusion, but it's looking more likely by the day.

That said, the domestic market is pretty homophobic, too.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 21st 2022 at 9:15:15 AM

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#1410: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:31:17 AM

Soon we’ll instead be speculating whether content was cut to appeal to the homophobic Florida market

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#1411: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:37:00 AM

Also does Korg count for a Discount Lesbians entry? With his apparently all male race?

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1412: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:45:27 AM

Soon we’ll instead be speculating whether content was cut to appeal to the homophobic Florida market

After the whole shit with the Don't Say Gay bill, there's already that speculation.

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Lost in Space
#1413: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:45:27 AM

[up][up]Yes, I was just thinking that's a good use of the trope.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 21st 2022 at 9:45:38 AM

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Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#1414: Jul 21st 2022 at 2:47:47 PM
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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1415: Jul 21st 2022 at 2:52:03 PM

[up][up][up] Shit like this makes one fearful whether they’ll ever adapt Phyla-Vell and Moondragon, or Demiurge and Hulkling

[up] Heh nice

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 21st 2022 at 2:52:17 AM

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#1416: Jul 21st 2022 at 3:15:49 PM

C'mon, please contextualize links. A "crossover" doesn't tell us anything. Are you showing a video, a news article? Something like "Here's a nice fanart of xyz".

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#1417: Jul 21st 2022 at 3:21:53 PM

I'm still thinking the underuse of Lady Sif is my biggest gripe with this film possibly because it's my gripe for all the Thor films.

I mean we weren't short of badass ladies. (though killing off another superheroine wasn't fun) but still always wanted to see more of Sif being badass.

I know there's infinite possibilities for fan service in the Endgame battle but I'd have loved for Steve's, Tony's and Thor's supporting cast to rotate? So like Sif could help out Steve, War Machine help out Thor and have Bucky bail out Tony, give a tiny bit of closure there.

Any way very off topic. Something for the fanfic that won't get writ.

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#1418: Jul 21st 2022 at 3:26:26 PM

Sorry. Is this better?

There's this crossover fan art of Wonder Woman being in Omnipotence City with Jane Foster, looking embarrassed of MCU Zeus's behaviour, which I thought was funny. You can find it here.

Edited by Avenger09 on Jul 21st 2022 at 11:27:29 AM

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#1419: Jul 21st 2022 at 3:28:20 PM

[up][up] It would have been nice to spend more time with Thor's Asgard buddies, honestly.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#1420: Jul 21st 2022 at 3:29:55 PM

Since they're not really doing anything else with Sif and Jamie Alexander is usually busy doing other things, they could've at least had Valkyrie watch her kick ass, formally instate her as Queen of Asgard for her valor (with zero flirting to avoid triggering the wrath of the homophobes), and reap praise for the implications while the shippers fill in the Les Yay in for themselves.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 21st 2022 at 6:30:08 AM

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#1421: Jul 21st 2022 at 3:35:45 PM

Or at least show us Sif and Falligar fighting and losing to Gorr. Which would have served the dual purposes of giving Sif some screen time and show us Gorr brutalising an obviously good-coded god.

I'd rather Sif win a fight of course but that would have served the film as is.

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"To watch it all burn."
#1422: Jul 21st 2022 at 7:27:10 PM

Yeah, Gorr killing Falligar and chopping off one of Sif's arms would have been a great way to show that he's going too far and also killing good gods rather than us simply being told they were good. Though it could be inferred by all the corrupt gods hanging out on Omnipotence City.

As for the Disney being LGBT-phobic, there is the normalized trans man in Baymax, a part of a major Disney franchise unlike The Owl House, and even though he was a minor character, one baby step at a time I guess. Though I could just be a naive dumbass.

Edited by fanman on Jul 21st 2022 at 7:36:14 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1423: Jul 21st 2022 at 7:34:33 PM

Yeah I feel like that would have been the perfect way to show the difference between good Gods and selfish bad Gods.

The Gods that actual out there among the people helping them vs the Gods holding themselves up on Omnipotence City.

Like imagine if Falligar was clearly just minding his own business either helping his people or acting as their protector, it would clearly frame Gorr's murder of him as very much in the wrong.

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#1424: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:33:16 PM

[up][up]It's been known the TV shows can get away with more. Expecting decent rep from a Marvel/Star Wars blockbuster is like pulling teeth, not helped by how they continue to pat themselves on the back for the most tokenistic of efforts.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1425: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:45:42 PM

As for the Disney being LGBT-phobic, there is the normalized trans man in Baymax, a part of a major Disney franchise unlike The Owl House, and even though he was a minor character, one baby step at a time I guess. Though I could just be a naive dumbass.

The TV shows can get away with more. The Owl House doesn't have nearly the same kind of publicity and backing as the blockbusters and even the creator admitted she could not, in good faith, assume that the reason Disney shortened its third season was for non-homophobic reasons (especially after, again, the fiasco of Disney initially backing the Don't Say Gay bill in Florida).


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