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N1KF Alleged Number1KirbyFan (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Alleged Number1KirbyFan
#1: Apr 15th 2022 at 10:33:37 PM

Originally, the Permanent Red Link Club worked as a list of pages that should not and must not be recreated. However, many of the pages are in the Main namespace, which for years have only been makable through TLP or mod approval.

In addition, the page arguably goes into too much detail of what pages were created. The YMMV.Award Snub entry, for example, mentions that it was created by one troper. In my opinion it's not really necessary to keep records of these small, misplaced wiki pages with little significance.

Some of the sections in particular seem somewhat unnecessary:

  • Pages that were made to bypass an Example Sectionectomy is a list of low-effort copy-pasting. Not very interesting, and even without that history they'd all be cut anyway since only works get YMMV subpages.
  • Real Life subpages for items that don't allow Real Life examples is redundant with No Real Life Examples, Please!. Keeping another list of these isn't really helpful, since they'd all belong on this list if they were created.
  • Problematic Image Links could be split into its own page since we have a page for No Video Examples, Please! with the same number of six entries. No Image Links Please, perhaps?
  • The Persistent initialisms folder is redundant because they're all redirects in the Main namespace, which must be mod-approved now. Also, having a list of bad redirects isn't helpful, and is already handled by the policy on Creating New Redirects.

By cutting down on the less necessary parts, I'm hoping the Permanent Red Link Club can be made more readable again.

N1KF Alleged Number1KirbyFan (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Alleged Number1KirbyFan
#2: Apr 16th 2022 at 11:10:46 PM

I made an example of how the page could be reorganized at Sandbox.Permanent Red Link Club. As far as I'm aware I didn't cut anything except the Image Links, which I seem to have forgotten. I also excluded the "Unlisted cut pages" because it could probably be reworked more naturally into the page description.

I added "Main." to pages that should be in a different namespace, but aren't, likely because they were added many years ago, before we moved things to different namespaces.

Overall, I'd suggest the following:

  • Move "Tropes and indices" to another page, like a "Hall of Shame" of sorts. They don't need to be on the PRLC because they're in Main, which regular users can't create. The value they add to the list is informational and knowing mistakes not to be repeated, which can also be served on another page.
  • Remove everything in "Pages moved from Main namespace". People probably aren't going to bother recreating them through TLP, and if somebody wants them turned into redirects they can just be directed to a policy against cross-namespace redirects like that.
  • Move Image Links to No Image Links Please or a similar page.
  • Cut the "Initialisms and Plurals" redirects folder. Alternatively, cut the entire redirects section and move the interesting ones to the Hall of Shame.
  • Either update the outdated pages incorrectly in Main to lock the correct namespace as well, or cut them from the list. Cutting most of the irrelevant ones would probably leave only a few locks to add.

Edited by N1KF on Apr 16th 2022 at 1:12:47 PM

Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#3: Apr 17th 2022 at 4:49:34 AM

I agree that we could cut down on most main pages since they can't be recreated by normal users and a No Image Links Please page. A lot of them are likely covered by Trope Epitaph, even if that is JFF.

Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)
lee4hmz 486-powered rotating frosted cherry Pop-Tart from A shipwreck in the tidal Potomac (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#4: Apr 24th 2022 at 10:53:33 PM

[up][up]Regarding the "I don't know about this" section: My very fuzzy recollection of what Busy Street was involved bashing TGWTG creators (especially the Nostalgia Critic) and attacking/upsetting TGWTG fans, of which there were a lot here back in the late 2000s/early 2010s. The rest I either wasn't around for or have forgotten about (though I'm pretty sure License To Whine was yet another Predefined Message that got out of control and turned into spam).

Edited by lee4hmz on Apr 24th 2022 at 1:56:46 PM

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JHD0919 (Life not ruined yet)
#5: Jun 16th 2023 at 6:54:52 PM

Went ahead and cut the sandbox for being unused, with only 3 edits since its creation. If the cut proceeds, I'll consider the thread to no longer be needed and request it be locked.

Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#6: Jun 17th 2023 at 12:32:01 AM

Can we at least get the No Image Links Please page? I think it sounds like a sensible proposal.

Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)
JHD0919 (Life not ruined yet)
#7: Jun 17th 2023 at 8:31:01 AM

[up]Honestly I think that's better suited for its own thread, tho that's just me.

JHD0919 (Life not ruined yet)
#8: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:09:21 AM

Double posting to page ~Piterpicher in case they didn't receive my previous post.

Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#9: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:17:44 AM

OK, I got it... Just wanted to see if anyone else would respond. Will start a thread.

Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)
JHD0919 (Life not ruined yet)
#10: Sep 2nd 2023 at 4:59:50 PM

Totally forgot I was going to request a lock on this thread if the cut proceeded.

Should this be locked? Or should it remain dormant?

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