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I noticed that a disproportionate share of the LGBT Rights Worldwide thread was dedicated to talking about British politics, and also that a disproportionate share of the British Politics thread was taken up by discussion about LGBT rights. This sometimes results in the same posters having the same conversation across both threads simultaneously, which gets very confusing. I have therefore taken the bold step of creating this dedicated thread so that a more coherent conversation can be maintained.

For those wondering, this picks up from comment 45017 in the British Politics thread and from comment 3357 in the LGBT Rights one.

DoctorSleep Since: Nov, 2013
#251: Aug 5th 2024 at 8:12:29 PM

[up]Essentially she'd be the equivalent of those anti-gay politicians who always get caught soliciting gay sex in public toilets.

Edit: Bloody page-topper

Edited by DoctorSleep on Aug 5th 2024 at 8:12:49 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#252: Aug 5th 2024 at 8:20:57 PM

The irony is that since testosterone basically fuels the sex drive in humans, women who suffer from low libidos might actually benefit from testosterone therapy.

Maybe we need to stop thinking of testosterone as a "male" thing and more a "sex" thing.

Edited by M84 on Aug 5th 2024 at 11:22:04 PM

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#253: Aug 6th 2024 at 1:41:46 AM

[up] Yeah, some women with low sex drives do benefit from testosterone treatment.

Of course, the problem with that is it wouldn't convince transphobic extremists. Most likely, it'd result in cis women with naturally high sex drives getting side-eyed and accused of having too much testosterone, therefore not being "real" women. Society already disdains actively sexual women as it is.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#254: Aug 7th 2024 at 6:36:51 AM

There's an article in the Guardian that says that the new clinics are just adding patients to the waitlists and haven't actually seen anyone yet (with some indications that they're doing a runaround with the people at the front of the line and making it as hard as possible to actually pin down any appointment times). It's the exact same problem as the previous systems and I think it's just making it more evident that these clinics are doing this on purpose and their capacity can't possibly be this bad.

Here's the thing: if you buy into the idea that all these kids should just get pushed into therapy...the therapy is blocked behind the waitlists too. The particular types of "therapy" Cass supporters are pushing aren't available to just anyone, you need a referral, which you can't get until you get through the waitlist. None of the "alternatives" are available to anyone on the waitlist.

The other thing about the reputation of Cass that's getting weird is the whole "literally everyone but Cass herself is ideologically captured" thing and like...if you have to go to that extreme, you might want to rethink your position.

Edited by Zendervai on Aug 7th 2024 at 9:37:45 AM

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#255: Aug 7th 2024 at 7:18:48 AM

Is gender dysphoria care (and related care) provided through the NHS? The NHS, in my experience, operates on cutting costs as much as possible and seeing people as little as possible. I have had to very carefully navigate my responses to get the right treatment (and my care is nowhere near as contested as care for trans people) or else I get the runaround response.

I suppose it's a convenient boogeyman when institutional transphobia is at play...

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#256: Aug 7th 2024 at 7:31:59 AM

It's through the NHS, but it's a weird paradox. This particular approach (the insane waitlists and the incredibly stingy approach to appointments) is actually very expensive by NHS standards. These are fully staffed and operated clinics that barely see anyone and there was at least one that got proven to only do appointments on Thursday afternoons, while being open and active the rest of the week. These are dedicated doctors, dedicated nurses, dedicated facilities, and they're being paid to see as few people as possible, and a lot of the controversy about the waitlists comes from no one being able to figure out why they're this bad with the resources available. Waitlists are to be expected, but 10+ year waitlists where the number of new people being seen in a year is in the very low hundreds and there's a dedicated branch of the NHS for this with specialized facilities? Something is very off about that.

I don't want to say it's an actual conspiracy, but some people involved are absolutely using the NHS reputation to cover up their own deliberate interference with the process, because these are insane wait times even by NHS standards. I'm not kidding. Before the Cass review, the waitlist for adults was up to 15 years. It was routine for kids to get on the waitlist at like 14 and then wait four years to be seen, and then age onto the adult list and be told to wait at least a decade.

Nothing else in the NHS is like this.

Edited by Zendervai on Aug 7th 2024 at 10:41:17 AM

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#257: Aug 7th 2024 at 8:13:35 AM

Yeah, I only waited 2 years. At the time I was lucky not to have to wait 4, and it's only gotten worse since then.

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#258: Aug 7th 2024 at 9:37:42 AM

Mmm, I think it was maybe only a year or something ten years ago. I don't remember, and then there was some other admin SNAFU. Got curious, checked the current wait time for the same place now and it's over five years.

For a process and meeting that could be automated down to "don't bother showing up unless you're willing/able to go through this specific humiliation first".

Edited by RainehDaze on Aug 7th 2024 at 5:37:54 PM

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#259: Aug 8th 2024 at 1:28:34 PM

Was only about two years for me as well.

And then I went and screwed it all up.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#260: Aug 8th 2024 at 6:52:11 PM

I wonder if the whole thing is like the hospital from Yes, Minister, where they're essentially running fake hospitals to provide employment without providing care for patients. It would be a very British way of doing things.

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#261: Aug 9th 2024 at 9:39:34 AM

I mean, it basically seems like that. Unless you really need to employ people to monofocus on fertility considerations.

HeyMikey Since: Jul, 2015
#262: Dec 12th 2024 at 9:00:03 AM

UK Puberty blockers to be banned indefinitely for under 18s across UK

UK is banning Puberty blockers for people underage and as a "screw you" to trans children in particular, it's being banned specifically for the treatment of gender dysphoria. So everyone else is fine. Trans children who may need this treatment for their mental well-being? UK says screw you.

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#263: Dec 12th 2024 at 9:08:32 AM

> NHS England said the indefinite ban “closes a loophole that posed a risk to the safety of children and young people” through private provision.

the way they're framing this is really weird,its like they think [young] people were using hormone blockers like recreational drugs and this ban is meant to combat the nonexistant epidemic,so yeah this ban is driven entirely by political ill will towards trans people,in particular trans children

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#264: Dec 12th 2024 at 11:00:49 AM

Oh, that reminds me of something I posted here earlier: "[the Cass report] doesn't say that there are demonstrable drawbacks when using hormone blockers "

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#265: Dec 12th 2024 at 11:45:40 AM

Banning puberty blockers "under 18" is pretty much banning them for everyone and fooling no one.

They're really going all-in on the transphobia.

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#266: Dec 12th 2024 at 12:08:38 PM

They're doing this out of spite,they can't criminalize being transgender,but they can criminalize drugs and treatment connected to people who are trans,and they can make life unbearable for them in the meantime.

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#267: Dec 12th 2024 at 12:25:20 PM

I can't even fathom being so hateful toward people merely existing.

TheDandyBear Since: Oct, 2020
#268: Apr 16th 2025 at 5:03:56 AM

So the UK Supreme Court has ruled this morning that the legal definition of a woman does not include trans woman. Whilst they have stated that trans people with a GRC are protected from direct discrimination under the Equalities Act 2010 this doesn't include access to single sex spaces such as bathrooms, hostels or hospital wards.

The case was in large part funded by JK Rowling and no trans people were permitted to be involved in the process which pretty much shows how the deck was stacked in favour of the transphobes from the start. I also imagine that this is far from the end of this ordeal either despite the fact that the Court has explicitly said that this doesn't justify direct discrimination against trans people.

Stage7-4 Since: Nov, 2014
#269: Apr 16th 2025 at 7:34:46 AM

That's terrible, just fucking disgusting.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#270: Apr 16th 2025 at 7:41:37 AM

Why does the UK government have such a bug up its ass about trans people?

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#271: Apr 16th 2025 at 7:49:52 AM

I cant say that I'm suprised, but still.

[up] Would not say it is just the government. While conflation government with people it rules is not wise as a general principle. Government tend to reflect the society they rule to some degree.

Stage7-4 Since: Nov, 2014
#272: Apr 16th 2025 at 8:16:50 AM

The better question is why does the entire world have such a stick up it's ass about trans people?

You know, besides a capitalist society trying to reinforce strict gender roles for better control and politicans scapegoating their country's anger onto an innocent marginalized group to make it look like they're doing something.

Risa123 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#273: Apr 16th 2025 at 8:19:12 AM

[up] To my understanding the situation in UK is in fact particularly extereme.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#274: Apr 16th 2025 at 8:23:20 AM

Especially since the current government is (ostensibly) more progressive than the previous one.

Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
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#275: Apr 16th 2025 at 8:57:12 AM

Pop culture has for decades portrayed trans people and crossdressers as weird, hypersexualized freaks who abuse and trick people for kicks and transphobes insist that this is what every single one of them are.


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