Unclear Description: Filk Song

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#1: Apr 5th 2022 at 7:34:04 AM

From various accounts on This Very Wiki, the term "Filk Song" seems to refer to music made by fans, based on a certain show or a trope, at least from what Trope Talk and ATT said about it. That's the simplest possible explanation, which doesn't put into account the actual Filk subculture and underground music subgenre, which the trope is named after. Despite its seemingly simple "basic" definition, the main page for the trope goes into extensive detail about Filk as a subculture and music subgenre, a term rarely used nowadays due to how much fandoms and fan music changed over the years. This might be due to how old the trope is on this wiki, and how little its description/definition has changed over time. The fact that on-page examples are sorted by what is or isn't considered "traditional" Filk, and the page lists tropes common to the subgenre, (most of which have no context), put the term's broadness into question. Going deeper into the subject at hand, most of the "traditional Filk" examples are much older than newer entries, which reference "filk" as simply fan music. There are also over 40 redirect wicks to "filk", majority of which refer to the term's specific definition.

The question is: does Filk Song refer to Filk subculture or general fan music? If the earlier, it's a case of Missing Supertrope. If the latter, the page has issues with Fan Myopia.

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Specific, "Traditional" Definition; References To Filk As A Subculture, And Its Common Elements (12/52) 23%

Audience Participation Song: Sing "The Old Dun Cow" in a room full of filkers or Rennies, and when "somebody shouted MacIntyre," everybody shouts "MACINTYRE!" References Filk as a subculture, therefore fitting with the "traditional" category.
Charity Motivation Song: Chumbawamba released a filk of "Let It Be" under the pseudonym of "Scab Aid," a parody of The Beatles's work with Ferry Aid. It featured such lyrics as:
This manufactured sympathy, drowing in hypocrisy
Smiles to clinch the deals to boost the sales
All the owners of the printing presses
And popstars crying phony tears
Nothing bleeds like the hearts of the millionaires
For the charts and the state machine
Consumers of the world agree
Nothing sells like disaster, let it be Probably traditional definition was intended here, as "Filk of (something)" is a term used largely in these circles.
Safety in Indifference: Her short story "Medic", based on her Filk Song of the same name, focuses on a combat medic who constantly transfers to new posts to avoid getting familiar enough with anyone to be hurt when they die. Mercedes Lackey is a notable, confirmed Filker, and therefore qualifies for the "traditional definition"
The New Rock & Roll: Leslie Fish's Filk Song "Gamers (This Game Is Real)" is about "the perils of being a gamer". The narrator, a video gamer, tabletop roleplayer, and LARPer, gets her front door successively kicked in and her stuff stolen by the Secret Service, a bunch of fundies, and the FBI, who accuse her (respectively) of hacking, summoning demons and Eldritch Abominations, and being a terrorist. In an inversion, the Moral Guardians are the ones who think the things in the games are real, while the gamer knows them to be harmless fantasy. It ends with the line:
You gotta wonder about these people
And just how they get by
If they can't tell truth from fantasy
Do they even know it when they lie?
- This filk was actually Ripped from the Headlines, as it was written after a raid on Steve Jackson Games by the Secret Service in which things like Illuminati and GURPS Cyberpunk were taken as evidence of hacking. Leslie Fish, an example Filk community member and contributor. Also refers to filk as a style.
Analysis.Musical World Hypotheses: Early freestyle rap was written down, but since 1990, it has focused on improvisation, or "coming off the top of the head". This mirrors "flyting", the Scottish tradition of rap battles described in a Cracked article. If people in Real Life can learn to improvise verse, it wouldn't be impossible for a culture to value the ability to improvise verse. Musicals and blank verse plays take place in such a culture. As for the tunes, a lot of Emily Dickinson poems can be set to the same songs because they're all written in "ballad meter", or iambic heptameter. Perhaps there are a few tunes that everyone knows and can employ in an improvised Filk Song. Likely refers to Filk as a subgenre, but there is no certanity
Characters.Heralds Of Valdemar Brightly Burning: Author Avatar: Of a sort. His name is a reference to Lackey and fellow filksinger Leslie Fish. Definitely a bit of Self-Deprecation as Tarma and Kethry can barely tolerate him at best, and Leslie Fish provides the singing voice for Tarma who outright hates him. Again, Leslie Fish, and again, line refers to Filk as a musical style/subgenre
ComicBook.The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl:
- Book Ends: The first issue starts with Squirrel Girl singing a filk of the Spider-Man (1967) theme about her while out on patrol. The final issue has another version of that song about the revelation of her civilian identity as the accompaniment for a CGI deepfake video of her past adventures created by Tony Stark.
- Ear Worm: As suggested by the title quote, the Spider-Man theme song keeps getting filked with new lyrics by and about Doreen. (the footnotes also have other versions, and Squirrel Girl Beats Up The Marvel Universe has a ringtone attempting lyrics about Hellcat). Directly invoked by the narrator in the first issue of Volume 2, and the series ends with a version about the revelation of her civilian identity. Both reference the "Filk of" terminology. Otherwise a bit hard to tell, as it may or may not be an In-Universe example
HeraldsOfValdemar.Tropes A To E: Lampshaded back in the eighties. After writing a Filk Song about Tarma and Kethry defeating some bandits Lackey decided to write a full short story about the encounter, but didn't have the lyrics on hand and didn't remember quite how the song went. In universe the song exists and was written by "Bard Leslac", a musician who Tarma and Kethry despise for portraying them inaccurately and mooning after Tarma. Probably "traditional" definition was intended here.'
Laconic.Iron Maiden: The Band: Heavy Metal band with lots of Filk Songs and a cool Mascot. The main page makes it clear Iron Maiden is popular among Filkers. Therefore, "traditional" definition, under "Found Filk".
Literature.Brave New World: And before you ask, the Iron Maiden song of the same name was inspired by the book. Not to be confused with the second expansion of the fifth installment of Civilization. See above, though its usage here leans more towards the basic definition
Mind Screw.Music: "39" from the same album is also like this (they set off in '39, traveled for a year, and returned in '39 — WTF?!?!), unless one realizes that this is a Filk Song, which like many folk songs is an allegory about a voyage (this one being a space voyage, so one year of ship time is 100 years of Earth time). Watching the video on the DVD version of the album makes it suddenly make sense. Clearly intended as an example of the original, "classic" definition, tracking back to stylistic influences of the subgenre
ShoutOut.In Cryptid: An obscure reference to another filker: "Emerald Green" is a Pegasus-winning song. The writer of "Emerald Green" also has a song about a Siren making a living as a singer. Most definitely a reference to the "traditional" definition.

Fits The "Basic" Definition, But Either Not A Part Of The Filk Subculture Or Unspecified (14/52) 27%

Main.Horrible History Metal:
- So you're writing a Heavy Metal song. You've got a few good riffs and chord progressions down, but now you need lyrics. You don't want to write about Satan, existing works of fiction, elves and orcs, politics, the evils of religion or even about metal itself... so what do you write about? Well, history, of course! Fits with the basic definition, but lacks Filk connotations
- "Treasure Island" and "Last of the Mohicans" are somewhat mixed examples as they are Filk Songs based on historical fiction.
  - Another mixed example is the Epic Rocking number "Genesis (The Making and the Fall of Man)", which is a retelling of The 12th Planet by Zecharia Sitchin, a book positing a history of humanity and its creation by Ancient Astronauts based on (heavily mistranslated) readings of ancient Sumerian texts. Although the book purports to be real history, the band have clarified that they don't actually believe it themselves, so it functions as more of a Filk Song. Unclear whether it qualifies as "traditional" filk, but fits the basic definition
Main.Staff Created Fan Work: Vic Mignogna, Edward's English voice, is a huge fan of Fullmetal Alchemist, especially the 2003 anime. He has created the Filk Song "Nothing I Won't Give" and has even created a Fan Film called Fullmetal Fantasy about the series (which he's not legally allowed to distribute online). Unspecified, fits the general definition
DrinkingGame.Tv Tropes: Chug lightly if the quote is a song lyric. Could go either way, depending on the time period in which the entry was added.
Fanfic.Being Human A Portal Fanfic: Filk Song: "Wheatley's Song" by Miracle of Sound is sung at the beginning of the story. Miracle of Sound is included in the "Somewhere in between" folder of the examples page in the main article, which likely fits the basic, "modern" definition.
Franchise.Perry Mason: The series is very popular overseas—a Turkish version (also called Perry Mason) was produced in 1983. It also inspired a song by Ozzy Osbourne. Not present on the main page. Fits the basic, "modern" definition.
Genre Mashup.Music: Natalia O Shea combines Celtic and Slavic Folk Music with fantasy influences and The Power of Rock to produce a distinctive sound very popular with the Role-Playing Game movement. Probably intended as a "traditional" example, but could go either way.
Music.Bloodhound Gang: Filk Song: "Your Only Friends Are Make Believe" pays a visit to Mister Rogers' Neighborhood with a verbal thrashing of mailman Mr. Mcfeely. Unclear.
Music.DOA : Filk Song:
- "Rosemary's Baby" off 13 Flavours of Doom is inspired by the film of the same name.
- "Captain Kirk, Spock, Scotty and Bones" off Talk - Action = 0 is about the lead characters (minus Sulu) of Star Trek: The Original Series.
- "The Man With No Name" off We Come In Peace is about Clint Eastwood's character from Sergio Leone's Dollars Trilogy of films. May or may not qualify, though it is an example of the basic definition
Music.Judicator: Filk Song: "Heroes and Villains" details various events and themes from Beowulf, Twelfth Night, Doctor Faustus, Everyman, The Faerie Queene, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. Qualifies as "modern" definition.
Music.Slough Feg: Filk Song: Oh boy, where do we start? Up until Atavism it is easier to name the songs that aren't Filk Songs. The band absolutely LOVES Sláine and it shows. Songs about the Irish Barbarian or set in his universe includes: "Cauldron of Blood," "The Red Branch," "Slough Feg," "Sky Chariots," "Brave Connor Mac," and "The Wickerman." They have also dedicated an entire album to Traveller as well as one song ("Traders and Gunboats").Anytime a note is blank from this point on means an example fits the basic definition.
Series.The Tale Of The Ring: The two-parter was made as a companion piece to Bo Hansson's album Music Inspired by The Lord of the Rings, which plays throughout it. Hansson has also been credited with directing the series. Urban Lasson served as the producer. Sören Erlandsson took on the task of summarizing the original Door Stopper of a novel into two bite-sized 14-minute episodes. Seems fine, though type is, again, not clear
Trivia.The Mysterious Mr Enter: In his review of Cans Without Labels, he points out how one of George Liquor's lines is clearly spliced from two different takes, and argues that, given how long the cartoon took to produce, there should have been plenty of time to do another take. Enter was apparently unaware that George Liquor's voice actor, Michael Pataki, died very early on in production. Later on, while criticizing the poorly done Retraux look of the short, he cites Cuphead as an example of it done right. While this doesn't detract from his point, the footage he showed was from DAGames' Filk Song "Brothers in Arms", not the actual game.
UnintentionalPeriodPiece.Turn Of The Millennium: Eddie Rath's Naruto Filk Song rap "Gaara The Sand Assassin" gets dated to the 2000s with the line "Caramelldansen is the same as Cascada—they're both fucking annoying". The song was written when Caramelldansen Vids were most popular and Cascada fanvids were epidemic in the Naruto fandom.
YMMV.Rainbow Factory: The BronyDanceParty Filk Song has over 9 million views, making it more viewed than the original fic. It's especially this amongst younger fans who used Youtube but didn't read fanfics.

Misuse (6/52) 11.5%

Main.But What About The Astronauts: Lucius Voltaic's When We Left Earth Behind is a Filk Song about this. ZCE, and I doubt it qualifies.
Main.Creepy Cemetery: "Pet Sematary" by The Ramones depicts a run-down graveyard with goblins and ghosts (and it's implied a vampire or two) living(?) there. Like the book/film the song is based on, it's Unholy Ground that brings back anyone buried there. The singer follows his friend Victor in one night, and is unpleasantly surprised to find out that Vic's actually a dancing skeleton. Not sure if qualifies under "traditional", or "modern" at all, since the song was made FOR the movie adaptation.
Main.Distinct Double Album: The soundtrack for Halo 2 was released in two volumes. Volume 1, released alongside the game, had to be prepared prior to the game being finalized, and thus some pieces have somewhat different arrangements than they do in the game. It also includes some Halo-themed contributions from some outside music artists, such as Breaking Benjamin and Incubus. Volume 2 was released later, and contains the music as it appeared in the final game. Doubt if it even qualifies, considering these are A: official contributions, and B: are not confirmed as such, not here at least.
Creator.Dave Barry: Filk Song: Wrote one of these with several verses about Tupperware, and even performed it with a band in front of a group of Tupperware salespeople. Likely a misuse of the term.
Music.Styx: Filk Song: "Come Sail Away" turns out to be about benign space aliens who have come to take the singer to "the skies". A bit lacking in terms of nerd culture, or source material. Might be a misuse..
VideoGame.Wasteland 2: Filk Song: "Cries of a Dead World" by Miracle of Sound. The dev team liked it so much, that they commissioned a remixed version for the credits. This should go under trivia as Official Fan-Submitted Content, or the like

ZCEs (8/52) 15%

Main.Big Creepy Crawlies: The Creature Feature song "The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth", being that's it's a Filk Song of Them!. Unspecified, but fits the general, "modern" definition. A ZCE Either way.
Main.What Does This Button Do: The Filk Song "Don't Push That Button" describes a few misadventures of someone who never heeds that advice.
Music.Allie Goertz:
- Filk Song
- Give Geeks a Chance: "Everything's Coming Up Milhouse", a Simpsons filk song. Invoked in the cover, "Lamer than Lame".
Music.Bloc Party: Filk Song: "Song For Clay" is inspired by Less Than Zero.
Music.Fallujah: Filk Song: Dreamless is an entire album of these.
Music.The Red Chord: Filk Song: "Responsibles" and "One Robot to Another".
Music.Through The Eyes Of The Dead: Filk Song: "Teras".
Webcomic.And Shine Heaven Now: Filk Song: The Hell''Sing'' fillers

Other Issues (12/52) 23%

Main.Apocalyptic Log: 4chan's Bunker Map project is an attempt at tracking down and recording the locations of billionaire apocalypse bunkers like LaBeouf's flag. Leslie Fish's Digwell Carol is mentioned in terms of motivation. Leslie Fish is included in the list of notable Filkers, so she fits the "classic" category by definition. That said, The link is a Sinkhole, and not an actual example.
Main.Bardcore: Contrast Filk Song, which rearranges the lyrics of a pop song to match with a specific franchise. Aligns with the "traditional" definition, due to Filk community's common element of re-lyricizing music. There is an inadequacy compared to the main page, which considers Bardcore to be a compare rather than contrast.
Main.Fanfic: This page is for fan fiction. Other types of fan work belong on the subpages of Fan Works (Fan Film, Fan Vid, Filk Song, and so on). We're working on moving the misplaced works — help Fan Films, Fan Vids, and others get to their correct index! Part of The wiki's lack of focus regarding the term's definition. Again, the page describes Filk community, the blurb describes fan music in general.
Main.Self Imposed Challenge: In the comments section of Skin Horse, one reader would post the occasional Filk Song relating to that day's comic strip. Then, starting around November of 2008, he started writing one every day. He also posted a (nearly) daily filk to Shaenon Garrity's Narbonic, which was then in its "Director's Cut" re-runs. That was nearly 3000 filks ago. Again, unclear, this time without any evidence to back it up.
Main.Song Parody: Many filk songs are parodies of other songs. Not specified, possibly "traditional". Also a violation of Examples Are Not General policy.
Fanfic.Twice Upon An Age: If Non Can Learn to Do It is almost entirely a shout-out to the Broadway version of Anastasia, consisting mostly of a Filk Song based on "Learn to Do It." It also has a nod to Leliana's memetic love of shoes. Song parody. Doubt if qualifies, as it is an example from the production's canon.
Music.Area 11: Filk Song: The majority of their discography could be considered such, but they are thankfully not obnoxiously blatant with the references. The exceptions to being subtle are "Minecraft Christmas Time", and "DOTA 2 Beta Key", which name drop the games in question in the title. Area 11 are probably not Filkers, and the example seems to refer to its modern definition. Might also count as complaining about the trope.
Music.Miracle Of Sound: Filk Song: He creates songs based on games he loves. One distinguishing aspect of his work is that he uses completely new music, rather than re-purposing other music with new lyrics. A weird one, since this example references an aspect of the "older" definition that is outright stated on the main page to not necessarily be an aspect of such music.
Self-Demonstrating.Joker: Filk Song: Of course I have one! Or two... First, a ZCE, second, I doubt it qualifies on this page, as it references Fan Works, and not canon material, which was partly the reason why the Fan Music subpages for Awesome Music were cut to begin with.
Trivia.Star Trek The Original Series: We Come in Peace — Shoot to Kill: From "Star Trekkin'". Trope Namers should be sorted under their respective works. Also a Sinkhole.
Trivia.The Office USS 2 E 4 The Fire: Defictionalization: A fan eventually made a full Filk Song version of "Ryan Started the Fire". Aside from fitting the basic definition, this isn't really an example of the other trope due to the fact that Defictionalization has to be official, and Fan Works, for the most part, aren't.
YMMV.Minecraft Championship: Filk Song: For Season 2 and onward, we have "Win It All" by Derivakat, who is well-known in the Dream SMP side of the MCYT community for her music. Should go under the creator's own page, or Fanfic Recommendations per current wiki policy. Also, basic definition.

Edited by AoeAbility on Apr 5th 2022 at 7:41:08 AM

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#2: Apr 5th 2022 at 7:43:13 AM

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#3: Apr 5th 2022 at 9:16:59 AM

Would making a broader Fan Music super trope and moving the non-traditional examples there work?

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#4: Apr 5th 2022 at 9:26:28 AM

That was sort of my original idea - to make an index for music made by enthusiasts of shows and tropes, and split it off from filk, which I believe fits better as a Sub-Trope (like Heavy Mithril or Nerdcore), or as an Useful Notes page for the community itself (like Furry Fandom). Then again, this will need elaboration, and a closer look.

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#5: Apr 5th 2022 at 10:54:58 AM

At the moment, I think that "Make a supertrope for Fan Music, with Filk Song as a subtrope along with the other fan music tropes", is the best option.

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#6: Apr 5th 2022 at 11:11:16 AM

Though, I still believe it needs a bit more discussion. After all, things I said on ATT and Trope Talk I previously held, received a surprising amount of differing opinions. I need to make sure everyone's clear on what my issue is, and that we can reach a more satisfactory conclusion to this issue.

Edited by AoeAbility on Apr 5th 2022 at 11:12:55 AM

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#7: Apr 5th 2022 at 12:32:04 PM

The question is: does Filk Song refer to Filk subculture or general fan music?

I didn't see you raise that issue precisely with earlier posts. Because we don't make tropes out of (sub)cultures, the article cannot be about the people who make filk music. I believe that I already expressed the opinion that the description was worded unnecessarily narrowly.

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#8: Apr 5th 2022 at 1:11:29 PM

I came upon these realizations by myself later, while I was doing the wick check.

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#9: Apr 5th 2022 at 3:39:03 PM

At the moment, I think that "Make a supertrope for Fan Music, with Filk Song as a subtrope along with the other fan music tropes", is the best option.

That might work.

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#10: Apr 5th 2022 at 7:45:34 PM

I also think that the "supetrope/superindex for fan music as a whole, specific page for the Filk genre" option seems like a good idea.

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#11: Apr 5th 2022 at 10:26:31 PM

So far, it seems like most of us seem to agree there should be a supertrope for Filk Song, Heavy Mithril, and Nerdcore, at least that's what I'm infering.

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#12: Apr 6th 2022 at 12:44:10 AM

I do agree that Fan Music would be a supertrope to Heavy Mithril and Nerdcore in addition to the rewritten Filk Song, since those two are also made by fans of certain subjects (fantasy stories in the case of Heavy Mithril, and various nerdy things in Nerdcore's case).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 6th 2022 at 2:45:44 PM

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#13: Apr 6th 2022 at 6:01:01 AM

to a Fan Music supertope.

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#14: Apr 6th 2022 at 7:29:05 AM

So, should we make a crowner then?

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#15: Apr 6th 2022 at 11:49:00 AM

The typical rule is to wait 3 days before making a crowner so that people who aren't on every day have a chance to see the thread and weigh in first.

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#16: Apr 6th 2022 at 12:00:56 PM

Yep. We have to wait until at least the 8th.

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#17: Apr 6th 2022 at 12:03:09 PM

Good. Just so you know, if we decide to split the page, we will need to make further discussion as to how to make the split, to prevent further problems that might happen as a result. There was, after all, a reason for the huge 2018-19 fan music cut.

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#18: Apr 6th 2022 at 1:35:37 PM

Wait, what happened there?

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#19: Apr 6th 2022 at 1:36:02 PM

I suppose one option would be to rename the Filk Song page to account for the fact that the definition is broader than offsite usage of the term, rather than splitting it. Filk Song would still remain a redirect.

Edit: And yeah, I don't know what fan music cut is being referred to.

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#20: Apr 6th 2022 at 1:47:53 PM

That's a possibility, but I think there's value in keeping it. Filk is a distinct genre of fan music. It might not be as common as it once was, but I think there's still enough examples of it to warrant a separate page, especially since we won't have to make it from scratch.

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#21: Apr 6th 2022 at 3:34:56 PM

By "fan music cut" I meant the entire "people adding entries for non-canon music to the Awesome Music subpages for their source material, and how the wiki dealt with it" issue. See The namespaces for Undertale or MLP on the Wayback Machine.

Edited by AoeAbility on Apr 6th 2022 at 3:38:03 AM

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#22: Apr 6th 2022 at 3:56:52 PM

Oh, the non-canon page cut. That was less recent than 2018-2019; I think it was around 2015 or 2016. And anyway, Fan Music wouldn't be about a type of Fan Work; it would be about musicians (including mainstream musicians) making music about things they're fans of. Basically, it would be covering what we're already referring to as Filk Songs, since we're using the term "filk song" incorrectly.

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#23: Apr 6th 2022 at 4:14:11 PM

How is a piece of music about something the songwriter is a fan of not a type of fan work? Weird Al's "The Saga Begins" is definitely a fan work of Star Wars, even if its also a commercially released song.

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#24: Apr 6th 2022 at 4:18:49 PM

Makes sense.

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#25: Apr 6th 2022 at 4:21:14 PM

I was thinking of non-commercial fan works, like what pretty much every fanfic is. I probably could have worded that more clearly.

But anyway, we'd always take There Is no Such Thing as Notability and How to Create a Work's Page into account to decide whether a given song counts as tropeworthy.

Edit: Now would probably be a good time to mention that I'm currently sick and that's making it harder to think things through, and it's probably making me less eloquent as well.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 6th 2022 at 6:24:13 AM

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