Needs Help: Comics Rule Everything Around Me

Comics Rule Everything Around Me is supposed to be about rap songs that are about unexpectedly nerdy subjects, as a sort of sister-trope to Nerdcore (hip-hop), Heavy Mithril (metal), and Filk.

In practice, it's being used for that, any form of nerdy Shout-Out in a rap song (even if it's incidental to the song's overall subject), and for troping actual artists who are open about being nerds.

Wick check results:

• Correct Use (rap song is about something nerdy): 5/37
• Rap song has a nerdy Shout-Out in it: 8/37
• The rapper is a nerd: 5/37
• Multiple/Unclear use: 3/37
• Zero-context examples: 9/37
• Other Misuse: 3/37
• Indices + laconic: 4/37

There are 2 options as I see them: expand the trope to include Shout Outs within rap songs, or send it to the salvage yard or TLP if someone will sponsor it. I don't think that 'rap song has a nerdy Shout-Out in it' is meaningfully different enough from Shout-Out as a whole to be worth splitting off, so my preference is to yard it.

Additionally, it's an 11-year old trope with only 37 wicks. At least some of that is probably due to its name being a reference to a song that most people have never heard of. If we keep it, it could use a less opaque name.

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C.R.E.A.M. is actually a pretty well-known rap song. The Other Wiki says that it is considered one of the greatest Hip-Hop songs (if not songs period) of all time, and there are multiple articles from big websites written about the song.

Although I could be biased as I listen to a lot of Hip-Hop. Perhaps on this site it isn't very well-known, and that's contributing to the problem (even though I like the name personally.) I am personally in favor of yarding it as I do agree that "nerdy Shout-Out" is not different enough from Shout-Out to preserve on its own. Perhaps if it goes to TLP it could get a new name too.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Mar 29th 2022 at 9:56:20 AM

I would say we can expand the definition to nerdy rap and hip-hop, regardless of how well-known the singer's nerdity is.

Doesn't Nerdcore cover Hip-Hop specifically meant to be nerdy?

Also, what exactly is the distinction between the two? I might come across as an uncultured normie, but I'm not that much of an ace with genres.

Just considering the possibility that these two might be redundant to each other.

Is there much difference between nerdy rap and nerdy hip-hop? If not, then this trope can be merged into Nerdcore.

Rap is just another word for Hip-Hop.

So what is the difference between Comics Rule Everything Around Me and Nerdcore, then?

EDIT: To answer my own question, the respective pages say about the other trope:

• Comics Rule Everything Around Me: "The entire genre of Nerdcore is basically taking this trope and running with it like you had the Speed Force."
• Nerdcore: "Comics Rule Everything Around Me is for when rappers in other genres start throwing in nerdy allusions."

So the difference is: Comics Rule Everything Around Me - Rappers make nerdy references; Nerdcore - Rappers make an entire genre out of nerdy references? Feels like a superficial difference to me; I vote merge.

Edited by Snicka on Mar 29th 2022 at 6:22:45 PM

Or (as I see it)

• Comics Rule Everything Around Me: Hip-hop with nerdy Shout-Out
• Nerdcore: Nerdy Shout-Out genre of hip-hop

If that's the case, Nerdcore seems to be The Same But More for Comics Rule Everything Around Me, which itself is The Same But More Specific for Shout-Out (as in the latter meaning "Pop-cultural references in works" and the earlier, "Pop-cultural references in rap music".

I don't know about that. A movie can have romance elements without being a full-on Romance. Genres aren't really tropes.

I agree that CREAM is the same but more specific to Shout-Out, however.

Then, if CREAM is to be cut, I suggest to split its examples between Shout-Out (for references to nerdy media in rap music) and Nerdcore (for rap music centered around nerdy things).

Edited by AoeAbility on Mar 29th 2022 at 11:41:31 AM

At only 37 wicks, I think we can merge this with Shout-Out and leave Nerdcore alone. I agree that Nerdcore isn't the same since it's an entire genre, while this trope is about Shout Outs and can appear in other genres.

Then again, I don't think Nerdcore can be just left like that. That page is also in need of some help, I believe.

We can't tackle Nerdcore unless we have a separate check for it.

Why? It seems to be in good condition (~60 wicks, decent-length examples page) for what seems to be a relatively niche genre. Just because we don't have pages for a lot of its examples doesn't the page itself is not worth having/needs fixing (my favorite example: Gaucho)

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 29th 2022 at 4:35:25 AM

I see that. Again, might need to do some more research into it.

But yeah, In favor of merging CREAM with Shout-Out and Nerdcore, based on which examples refer to what.

Since Nerdcore is a genre and not a trope (meaning it's something that uses tropes), I think having a list of artists on the main page is more important than having wicks elsewhere on the wiki.

It's been 3 days. Should we hook a crowner?

Crowner checkup: Disambiguating is nearly unanimous at 13 yeas and 1 nay.

The amount of yeas has gone up by three since yesterday. The amount of nays is still the same.

I moved the on-page examples to Shout-Out and disambiguated the page. I can probably finish up the wicks later, but right now my arms hurt from moving the on-page examples.