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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#1576: Jun 30th 2022 at 2:12:49 PM

It’s actually funny after Obi Wan the show that Leia has to comfort Luke about Obi WAN’s death

She knew him for slightly longer than five minutes

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#1577: Jun 30th 2022 at 2:26:01 PM

I found Wade's death to be fine, but it could have been better. Basically like any number of the pilots in the trench run. A good contrast though would be Dak's role in TESB, he has all of five lines but was given loads of personality and palpable history with Luke. His death and the time to mourn him was brief, but still sets a mood for the fight and he was the precursor to the Rebels being gunned down running from the AT-AT. Their interaction also shows Lukes growing confidence and experience next to Dak's youthful energy.

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#1578: Jun 30th 2022 at 2:26:20 PM

As far as extreme fan reactions go, I think this thread is a lot more hostile to any, even half-hearted criticism of the show than the other way around. I know the fandom is toxic, but I don't know if "you're just LOOKING for reasons to criticize the show!" to anyone who has a dissenting opinion is really gonna help.

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#1579: Jun 30th 2022 at 2:35:22 PM

This

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1580: Jun 30th 2022 at 2:44:51 PM

Who is Wade?

I was very upset about Tala's death. That was a waste of a good character.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1581: Jun 30th 2022 at 3:33:12 PM

The Wade mockery is also odd because it’s hardly as if Star Wars is alien in some way to introducing bit characters to die for a bit of cheap gravitas.

Making a case out of Wade is weird in a franchise where Dak, Porkins, Corde, etc exist just feels like cherry picking.

Corde is actually probably the best example. She gets blown up in AOTC, gets a whole emotional death scene with Padme, and then the plot moves on. The audience is never even introduced to her, just like Wade. Those characters aren’t there to be heavily remembered. They’re there to set stakes and establish tone.

As mentioned, not everyone who dies in a story in an emotional way has to be the most important character in the story.

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#1582: Jun 30th 2022 at 3:39:39 PM

No one’s been defending Attack of the Clones’ version to my knowledge because it’s already widely accepted that Episode II isn’t very good. tongue

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#1583: Jun 30th 2022 at 3:42:23 PM

I’ve seen people defend Obi Wan’s ep 2 plot at least

Edited by Bocaj on Jun 30th 2022 at 6:44:00 AM

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#1584: Jun 30th 2022 at 3:42:48 PM

I'm actually unnerved there's apparently anger over killing the guy but not the important female character.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#1585: Jun 30th 2022 at 3:44:06 PM

I just think Wade's death and mourning could have been done with more pathos. It didn't need any more screentime. It just came across as a bit half hearted in the show, perhaps it only needed a different take or a single redraft.

But that wasn't really my problem with episode 4. It's more that no one learns anything, no one comes to any realisations and no one gains an upper hand.

Episode 3 could have ended with Reva planting a tracker rather than capturing Leia and you'd be able to cut the entire episode.

Pacing wize I just think the show, which is already strong, would have been stronger as a 5 episode series.

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#1586: Jun 30th 2022 at 3:56:18 PM

I really liked Tala, Indira Varma is great. Also loved her loader droid.

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#1587: Jun 30th 2022 at 4:00:55 PM

I really liked her willingness to throw her entire understanding of the galaxy away when confronted with what the Empire really is.

She wanted to be an Imperial officer, became an Imperial officer, and then was big enough to see she was wrong and started resisting saving lives. I wish she got to stay as the face of the Path. Her death seemed a bit like a waste, but I get that it's meant to inspire Leia and try to explain why Leia's priorities are what they are come A New Hope.

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#1588: Jun 30th 2022 at 4:03:16 PM

There is no anger in that way I have seen in that way, more like 'Wait...were supposed to care?'

I have seen people make fun of things like Corde, like the one I linked too.

I think with Wade its partially just do to the fact the moment happens in what I have seen considered to be the weakest episode of the seires.

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#1589: Jun 30th 2022 at 4:04:01 PM

I liked Tala alright but I expected her death from the moment she walked on-screen so the rest was just me waiting for the inevitable end.

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#1590: Jun 30th 2022 at 4:43:38 PM

From my perspective the problem with Wade is that he's not actually connected to any character we really care about? We barely care about Corde, because Padme did, but I don't even think we'd seen any of the people who died or reacted to it before, which is just a weird storytelling decision. Which, coming on top of the 'no, I can't help you—sure I'll help you' change made me wonder if the broadcast version was missing some scenes, or I blacked out or something.

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#1591: Jun 30th 2022 at 5:10:18 PM

I wonder if they meant to have Keira Knightley play Cordé but couldn’t get her. That would HURT, since she’s playing queen for half of Phantom Menace.

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#1592: Jun 30th 2022 at 5:29:48 PM

I wondered that too, I don’t know why she didn’t return.

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#1593: Jun 30th 2022 at 5:42:11 PM

Probably because her career took off and she was busy.

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#1594: Jun 30th 2022 at 6:32:00 PM

With Wade I'd say there's an issue in that they make his death out to be...a bit more dramatic than it really was? At least to us.

We spend very little time with Wade, to the extent that the character is basically a redshirt. To be fair, a particularly awesome redshirt, but still a redshirt. Which makes the slight attention called to his death seem a little...jarring.

For what it's worth, I rather like the scene because I tend to subtly feel a bit "sorry" for Redshirts. They tend to get a "raw deal" in these types of stories. Here, we see a redshirt that, while still playing the part, goes down giving a major villain a big middle finger. On a strange, meta level, it's pretty cathartic to see that happen.

By contrast with Tara we've spent enough time with her to make the dramatic focus on her death seem thematically appropriate.

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#1595: Jun 30th 2022 at 7:27:36 PM

Episode 3 could have ended with Reva planting a tracker rather than capturing Leia and you'd be able to cut the entire episode.

Sure. And then we wouldn't get to have a really cool episode where Obi-Wan and Tala infiltrate, attack, and escape from the Inquisitorium.

Like. You guys are all, "But what's the POINT of a really fucking awesome episode where the characters invade the Inquisitorium!?" And the point is to have a really fucking awesome episode where the characters invade the Inquisitorium. Episode 4 justifies its own existence.

I guess if you absolutely must start slicing out content, carving out episodes to try and bring down the run-time, sure. Episode 4 is expendable, I guess.

But I have yet to hear a compelling argument for why we must carve out episodes and slice down the run-time. Why can't the show just be fun from time to time?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 30th 2022 at 7:28:50 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#1596: Jun 30th 2022 at 7:37:02 PM

I think you're massively overestimating how fun people found that infiltration. I, for one, thought it was just clumsy and hairbrained.

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#1597: Jun 30th 2022 at 7:38:26 PM

I did find it pretty dull.

At most I was just reminded of Fallen Order.

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#1598: Jun 30th 2022 at 7:43:05 PM

Well, of course the folks who've been whining about how much they hate this show since the moment Reva first stepped onscreen weren't having any fun. If you're determined to hate a thing, it's hard to enjoy it.

The rest of us were having a good time, though.

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#1599: Jun 30th 2022 at 7:43:50 PM

Like I said before, to me it felt like a repeat of the Death Star rescue but with none of the charming banter and improvisational energy. And I started out liking this show back when it was Little Leia and Friends.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jun 30th 2022 at 7:45:15 AM

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#1600: Jun 30th 2022 at 7:44:53 PM

[up][up]That's the most bad faith response I've seen in this entire thread, so far. We are truly topping ourselves here.

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