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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#251: May 31st 2022 at 1:36:57 AM

The con man doesn’t redeem himself as he was already doing good, even if he did seek to profit from it. The fact he was protecting Jedi is why he went to help Kenobi.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#252: May 31st 2022 at 1:39:26 AM

[up][up] Yeah. As the guys at Blind Wave put it: she has no real reason to assume that this stranger is more trustworthy than all the other strangers.

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#253: May 31st 2022 at 11:09:38 AM

My thoughts on Reva, personality-wise: She seems like a violent, unhinged, ravenous beast of a person chomping at the bit to maim and murder.

Or, in other words, she seems like a Dark Sider. I don't know why people keep demanding cunning manipulators and warrior poets from a group whose central philosophy is about letting your emotions run wild and obsessively following whatever passion you have.

I know Star Wars has a lot of characters like Palpatine or Retcon Maul, but honestly folks like Reva or Kylo Ren seem much more likely to result from telling people to selfishly follow their impulses wherever they may lead and murder anyone in the way. The Sith Code is not conducive to cautious, well-reasoned behavior. Attempting to murder her superior officer in a jurisdictional dispute and then screaming blood fury at Obi-Wan's ship as it flies away seems to me like exactly the kind of thing a proper Dark Sider would do.

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EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#254: May 31st 2022 at 11:55:22 AM

She works well enough as an instigating antagonist, but the Inquisitors by their nature are low level thugs meant to keep pressure on scattered Jedi but are largely incapable of dealing with anyone competent. Ahsoka was a skilled Padawan verging on Knight and handily dealt with two of them at the same time. So with Obi-Wan being involved the fear is less that they will beat him but his own fear of showing everyone he is still alive.

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#255: May 31st 2022 at 12:09:30 PM

Ahsoka also locked sabers multiple times with General Grievous and defeated Darth Maul, an actual full-fledged Sith Lord. I don't think losing to Ahsoka is some humiliating mark of abject incompetence. The Grand Inquisitor getting his teeth kicked in by Glorified Padawan Kanan Jarrus is probably the bigger slight against them.

But yes, if Obi-Wan were in his prime, he'd eat Inquisitors for breakfast. The fact that he hasn't touched a lightsaber in like ten years and can barely do so much as a Force lift, however, makes Third Sister a much more legitimate threat to him than I think you're giving her credit for.

My favorite Inquisitor detail is those stupid fucking saber-copters. They have a device to twirl their lightsabers for them! [lol] A real Jedi/Sith can spin their own goddamn saber and doesn't need tool assistance to do it.

We got to see one of these gadgets in live-action in episode 2, and I am so happy about it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 31st 2022 at 12:12:44 PM

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#256: May 31st 2022 at 12:25:05 PM

I demand to see them use their sabers as helicopter rotors in live-action.

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#257: May 31st 2022 at 12:28:42 PM

Ascension to Knight seems to be more a matter of wisdom and maturity than skill. In pure combat ability, I'm pretty sure that by the siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka could probably have taken half the council in straight fights.

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#258: May 31st 2022 at 12:40:53 PM

The point is still that the best Inquisitor is a low to mid-tier Jedi Knight in skill. They are a threat because of circumstances and not from talent, which is In-Universe by design because Vader can't track every minor Jedi sighting personally and they don't want Inquisitors to become a threat to the Empire as well. Thus they become blustery villains who crumple once someone decides they are done running, all while still affirming Vader as the biggest threat they may have to deal with.

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#259: May 31st 2022 at 12:45:24 PM

The one thing that bugs me about Reva is I that she seems inconsistent as to whether she's a shrewd hunter willing to go outside the box to catch her prey or a bloodthirsty brute too single-minded to catch her prey.

Like, the first episode showed that they could've had Kenobi if she didn't fuck everything up by just deciding to resolve everything by killing whoever is in front of her. They caught the other Jedi, had him dead to rights, and were planning on interrogating him. And the episode proved he could find Kenobi. Now, since they eventually still got him, maybe they still interrogated him and he didn't break, but they were inarguably in a worse position because of her. She didn't know it, but by killing Owen, she would have been killing the one person who definitely could have told her where Kenobi was.

The next episode, with her "squeeze" shows her being the one not relying on her own tracking and brute force and using cunning to draw Kenobi out. And she quickly sees through the fake Jedi's trick and figures out he knows where Kenobi is and extracts Kenobi's location from him. And doesn't kill him.

So is she the person who solves everything with a lightsaber and brute force or is she tactical and uses more finesse than the Inquisitors (which, granted, is a low-ass bar but one that she seemed well below in the first episode).

... comments that it's weird that she's so angry and loud truly are bizarre since, you know. Darksider.

[up] The best Inquisitor was, after all, beaten in a one-on-one fight by an incompletely trained Padawan who had tried to avoid the Force for longer than Kenobi had at this point. Granted he's also now been taken out by Third Sister so... yeah.

Edited by Larkmarn on May 31st 2022 at 3:48:34 PM

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EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#260: May 31st 2022 at 2:14:32 PM

It reminds me of an observation that in TLJ it reduced most of its' villains into screaming rage-a-holics, while the seeds were planted in TFA at least Snoke seemed to be more level headed. This is in contrast to most dark siders in the rest of the franchise where they might get passionate in battle but are otherwise more of a seething, subdued evil. Even Maul, the acknowledged attack dog for Sidious, barely spoke before his revival.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#261: May 31st 2022 at 2:14:46 PM

Speaking of Reva, lots of those Fandom Menace kinds of people are complaining that the show is bad because of "retconning".

You know. Retconning when we don't even know the full story of the show yet, or how Reva knows Obi-Wan is still alive or how she knows Anakin is Darth Vader.

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#262: May 31st 2022 at 2:21:53 PM

Its pretty common that the Inquisitors fold very easily when faced with a target that isn't running away or inexperienced.

Ahsoka handed the 2 their asses when they met and Maul later on killed the 2 with little effort.

Reva's a threat to Obi-Wan because of his trauma prevents him from using his Force abilities as well as the fear of her outing his existence and location. But considering Obi-Wan's later fight with Maul, when Obi-Wan finally gets serious Reva will fold like a house of cards like every Inquisitor.

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#263: May 31st 2022 at 2:35:19 PM

Yeah, Inquisitors are intended to take down Padawans who got away because their Masters helped them escape, or Jedi who survived Order 66 through luck rather than skill. Anyone tougher, and they have to call in Vader.

Edited by theLibrarian on May 31st 2022 at 4:35:28 AM

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#264: May 31st 2022 at 2:41:36 PM

I actually imagine it's going to be quite hilarious to see the Inquisitors Awesome, but Impractical Scare-The-Padawans rotating dual sabers fare against the Boring, but Practical Stone Wall that is the foremost Form III user of the old order.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#265: May 31st 2022 at 2:48:29 PM

The most accomplished Inquisitor we know of was Prosset Dibs (the Tenth Brother), who was a Jedi Master before turning. Given his backstory in the Vader comics, there's a case to be made that part of what got the Grand Inquisitor his job was less his power and/or skill in relation to the others and more that his temperament made him easy to control, but also adept at controlling the others.

You can see that here, where the Grand Inquisitor's primary role is to be imperious and ensure that the others to fall in line.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 31st 2022 at 3:06:44 AM

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#266: May 31st 2022 at 2:57:56 PM

The Inquisitors are basically school yard bullies. Tough when against scared and easy prey, but whenever somebody fights back, the Big Bro (aka Vader) has to step in.

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#267: May 31st 2022 at 3:19:09 PM

But yes, if Obi-Wan were in his prime, he'd eat Inquisitors for breakfast. The fact that he hasn't touched a lightsaber in like ten years and can barely do so much as a Force lift, however, makes Third Sister a much more legitimate threat to him than I think you're giving her credit for.

I think it's less an issue of being out of practice than that after all the trauma he went through, he really doesn't want to be a Jedi again. He just wants to rescue Leia and get back to isolation on Tatooine ASAP. Of course, that might change with knowing Anakin is alive.

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#268: May 31st 2022 at 3:23:19 PM

I think giving us a visual indication that he's a little rusty was why he had that fistfight in the hallway with those two mooks, where he won but got fairly roughed up and even accidentally hurt himself punching one of them.

Meanwhile, an episode later, and he's back in the swing of things enough to straight up haymaker a guy into unconsciousness.

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#269: May 31st 2022 at 3:33:15 PM

I wouldn't call that "back in the swing of things". Even after finding out that they've got his number and know he's here, Obi-Wan's been avoiding doing anything Jedi-like. He, a man who famously considers blasters to be uncivilized, has been relying exclusively on fistfighting, blasters, and guile. I don't think he's even lit his saber once.

Obi-Wan's been fighting like Han Solo for the series thus far. It's a meaningful departure from what we've seen of him in the past. And in the future, for that matter, considering Rebels. Given how hard a mere Force levitation was for him the one time he had to use the Force out of desperation, I'd be hesitant to say he's ready to trash Third Sister in a lightsaber duel.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 31st 2022 at 3:33:44 AM

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#270: May 31st 2022 at 4:04:57 PM

Reva being cunning one moment then screaming Darksider the next makes sense. She's smart, but loses herself to her anger and passion when close to her goal or just plain getting impatient.

Yeah, it seems pretty clear that Obi-Wan is supposed to be in a pre-Hera Kanan state. He's rusty and traumatized.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#271: May 31st 2022 at 4:05:28 PM

I guess the Third Sister will be his "Getting back in shape" Boss that will take him back to being skilled enough to kill Maul in 3 hits.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#272: May 31st 2022 at 4:58:50 PM

I see six episodes as basically being the movie of an anime.

This is not going to be a particularly momentous part of Obi-Wan's history but just a nice little story with a character we like.

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#273: May 31st 2022 at 4:59:08 PM

My own headcanon, and this is quite possibly canon is that being conflicted, depressed, or "unsure" really weakens your Force Powers.

So in the case of Obi-Wan, he's not only out of practice, he also lacks the enlightenment he had in the past.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#274: May 31st 2022 at 5:07:20 PM

It's basically canon, yeah. Some Force-users choose to cut themselves off from the Force (Luke), and sometimes it happens as a result of trauma (Cal).

With Obi-Wan, it's probably more a case of the first one.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#275: May 31st 2022 at 7:06:01 PM

I'd say it's sort of a mix. Not only is he out of practice, he's heartbroken that his life's work was destroyed and that he was forced to kill (he thought) his best friend.

And now Ewan Mac Gregor's put out a message of "Don't be racist to Reva's actor, that's not cool" which has the anti-Reva crowd up in arms again.


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