Ukraine War Cleanup

Yep, hindsight examples can't be up this early.

Cool, example zapped.

This entry on YMMV.The Simpsons S 9 E 19 Simpson Tide had the last sentence added recently. Is the rest of the example valid, given that tensions have been a thing for years?

• Harsher in Hindsight: The scene in the United Nations where Russia identifies itself as the Soviet Union and, when questioned about it by the U.S. ("The Soviet Union? I thought you guys broke up."), the Russian diplomat replies, "That's what we wanted you to think!" and old school Soviet Union comes out of hiding, is a lot less funny considering the many tensions Russia and the West have had since 2012, which have included poisoned spies, accusations of political interference and expelled diplomats. This episode even became prominent in the news after Russia launched an invasion of the Ukraine in 2022.

It's a stretch to begin with. Cut.

I suggest to add the video game franchise S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and its subpages to the pages being closely monitored. Yesterday, I removed a Harsher in Hindsight entry from its YMMV page (a late level of the first game is set in the exterior of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, turned into a warzone were one of the factions is the Ukrainian army).

Agreed

Steve MB added the following to InsistentTerminology.Real Life:

• The Russian government describes its 2022 attack on Ukraine as a "special military operation", and certainly not a "war" or an "invasion".

Is this kosher? I'm not familiar with the standards in such cases. In addition, I believe Insistent Terminology should be NRLEP...

That's not even the right trope for it, That'd be "Blackmail" Is Such an Ugly Word. I think they put it under Insistent Terminology to bypass the NRLEP restriction that's on the former trope.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Apr 1st 2022 at 3:04:42 PM

Delete it.

I removed it.

Bringing this over from the Hindsight cleanup thread...

So a new series of Fiends of the Eastern Front started in 2000 AD #2273. It involves Constanta collaborating with British intelligence against the USSR to do spy stuff in Berlin in 1963. (For those who haven't read the comic, Constanta's whole thing is protecting Romania, which pits him against both Germany and Russia).

In that very prog, Tharg has this to say:

Given the worrying events taking place in Europe at the time of writing, the idea of East vs West is unfortunately more on point than I anticipated

Comics have a significant lead time, so the story was absolutely finished before Russia invaded Ukraine. My question is, would this be an example of Harsher in Hindsight when the publisher specifically acknowledges it?

Btw for S.T.A.L.K.E.R.. Chernobyl has been handed back to Ukrainian forces. Is it possible to add an entry about the fire fight their as even the game makers and Ukrainian department of defense have uh acknowledged it.

Thanks!

Chrono Legion just added the following on InsistentTerminology.Real Life. Is this guy a sock of the person I mentioned last week?

• The Russian government insists that its invasion of Ukraine in 2022 is a "Special Military Operation" and has even passed laws forbidding the use of the word "war" in any context related to the "operation". This has led to a number of Westerners to jokingly refer to the retaliatory sanctions imposed on Russia as a "special financial/economic operation" after Russia's foreign minister called them an "Economic War".

I don't think the previous dude was suspended, so it's probably just someone with a similar idea. Same story as before though, burn it.

Removed.

Double posting because I added Insistent Terminology to the crowner in the NRLEP thread because someone else already proposed it a few days ago (meaning the minimum amount of time of one day required to add an option has already passed), and now I see why.

Would it be okay if I added the "It was back when we didn't know the Russians were incompetent" meme to YMMV.King Of The Hill? I think it would be wise to ask here before I did it.

The what now?

It's a quote from a King of the Hill episode that was repeated a lot after a lot of high-profile Russian defeats, failures and embarrassments in the invasion of Ukraine:

Apologies, was it here that was discussed the lock of Kievan Rus'? I was considering of making some works on it before I realised it was locked due to the ongoing war. I don't want to sound like I want ownership over pages, but from a quick glimpse at Kievan Rus''s history, it seems devoid of Edit War or Flame Bait (it was rarely edited at all in reality), and without fake modesty, anyone who sees my edit history can see that I'm capable of inserting unbiased and careful entries even when it comes of such delicate issues. Is there anyway I can request that specific page to be unlocked, or the issue is considered closed for good?

Depending on the scale of your edits, you could request any changes you want to make at the locked pages thread, or make a sandbox for the page and ask for it to be swapped in.

A whole bunch of Russia/Ukraine-related pages were locked at the beginning of the Ukraine war because people could not resist troping them. This was one of the 'well, they haven't touched this one yet but let's lock it too to be safe' ones.

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 19th 2022 at 11:04:40 AM

This is from hindsight trope of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019).

• A major criticism in 2019 when the game released was that it went to the stereotypical evil Russians ruining everything (and this time the Russians has no Sympathetic P.O.V. unlike the two big titles of the time where modern military shooters hit it big), with the plot focusing on the chaos and consequences of an unlawful occupation of a bordering fictional nation of Urzikstan that calls all the native inhabitants terrorists and murders any resistance in their path. Then the Ukraine invasion of 2022 occurred, and instead of a crazed General Ripper that everything can be blamed upon, the very leaders of Russia itself waged the conflict for personal interests while proclaiming all resistance to be neo-Nazi terrorists, not to mention Russian soldiers commiting atrocities such as the Bucha massacre, landing Russia straight into the international Acceptable Targets list, in and out of context.

Russia invading Ukraine has not ended yet and we are not sure if Russia will become an acceptable target after the war is over.

So whack it?

Edited by jkim152 on Apr 26th 2022 at 1:19:40 AM