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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#2701: Nov 19th 2022 at 9:18:29 AM

I love the photos you get whenever you get a badge. They’re a lot of fun.

I recently beat Iono’s gym, and I think her trailers really grew on me, because I kept hearing them whenever she was saying stuff.

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#2702: Nov 19th 2022 at 9:32:02 AM

So how do people here feel about the art style?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#2703: Nov 19th 2022 at 9:48:55 AM

i don't think its particularly better or worse than gen 7 or 8.

the style has been pretty homogenized by this point, i think. i do miss the rougher aesthetics of Gens 1, 2, and even 3, but it's fairly safe to say that the style is gonna stick this way for good.

i don't think its bad at all. maybe a bit sanitized but not bad.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#2704: Nov 19th 2022 at 10:08:13 AM

Re: Is Pokémon Scarlet and Violet and Obvious Beta?

To quote the article:

Attention: This trope is ONLY meant for games that are genuinely nigh unplayable at release. A few missing features, oversights and bugs do not count.
It's not that bad. It doesn't count.

jdeo1997 BLADE Pathfinders from Orion–Cygnus Arm Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
BLADE Pathfinders
#2705: Nov 19th 2022 at 10:36:18 AM

[up][up]Feels like the same style as the games since SM (excluding LGPE and BDSP)

Attachments are not the problem, Indifference is. Keelah se'lai
TheLuckOfTheClaws Some sort of gremlin, probably. from That’s classified (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Some sort of gremlin, probably.
#2706: Nov 19th 2022 at 11:36:31 AM

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I agree, Obvious Beta doesn’t apply because the issues are mostly graphical and over after two seconds. Even the lag is fixed simply by closing and opening the game. Not that bad.

Edited by TheLuckOfTheClaws on Nov 19th 2022 at 2:36:45 PM

Have you never before supped upon Pined Cone?
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#2707: Nov 19th 2022 at 11:37:23 AM

I smell a potential TRS thread in the futuretongue

MetaflarePrime Urara-lala~! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
Urara-lala~!
#2708: Nov 19th 2022 at 12:41:20 PM

they should not have let trainer battles be 100% optional because im like "i dont want to battle i want to explore~" and then i get to the next area and get bodied like a chump

NthEquation from Africa Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#2709: Nov 19th 2022 at 1:09:23 PM

Even if they made trainer battles mandatory it's very easy to not notice the trainers and move past them if you're not walking along the path. I'd like it if the trainers also had a spotlight on them like items and tera pokemon

Edited by NthEquation on Nov 19th 2022 at 1:10:05 AM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#2710: Nov 19th 2022 at 1:10:11 PM

It's a little funny cause if you see the map in the levels you're meant to go to them, the challenge right next to the 3rd one jumps like 10 levels.

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#2711: Nov 19th 2022 at 1:20:04 PM

So how do people here feel about the art style?
LGPE still has the best artstyle of the Switch Pokemon games in my opinion with SWSH as a close second. SV basically has the same artstyle as PLA and while it's grown on me I'm still not a fan of it. Especially Iono who looked so good in her trailers, but looks awful ingame.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2712: Nov 19th 2022 at 1:46:42 PM

Does anyone know when Luxury Balls are unlocked?

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#2713: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:02:00 PM

So thoughts on the Tinkaton line?

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#2714: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:03:43 PM

I think they're hilarious, as most tiny characters with colossal weapons tend to be for me.

The legend has returned.
NthEquation from Africa Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#2715: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:06:18 PM

I like dex descriptions that talk about the relationship with other pokemon. Tinkaton's dex is like a villain origin story

badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#2716: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:08:33 PM

Do these games enforce moveset changes like Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl do?

TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#2717: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:12:28 PM

You can turn off learning new moves, and in the move deletion screen you can press X to have the game suggest which move you could delete.

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#2718: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:15:43 PM

Let me rephrase that. If you bring in a Pokemon from HOME with a move that exists in SV but was taken out of its SV movepool, does the game force you to delete the offending move like BDSP did?

Edited by badtothebaritone on Nov 19th 2022 at 4:16:34 AM

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#2719: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:21:58 PM

No this is very much a beta... The game was absolutely rushed to make the holidays and the multimedia machine. [1] [2][3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]

Oh btw there is a memory leak in the game, your performance will degrade over time. You need to close the game and relaunch, probably once every 3 hours or so.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#2720: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:26:47 PM

Attention: This trope is ONLY meant for games that are genuinely nigh unplayable at release. A few missing features, oversights and bugs do not count.

Not a beta

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#2721: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:28:14 PM

[up] This. I'm glad it went through TRS to make sure it feels significant. Tons of games feel "unfinished", but that's cause some stuff never made it due to rushes. However, that doesn't make them unplayable messes. It just means they could've been better by being delayed.

So yeah, it easily does not count. A ton of games release with various problems, but are very playable despite these.

Shadow?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#2722: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:31:46 PM

Did this TRS thread also result in a new trope being introduced to encapsulate how people actually use the trope on the wiki? If not, it hasn't really done its job, and it's going to continue to invite misuse until that happens.

It's very important not to force tropes to become more semantically rigid unless there is something placed in between to compensate. It wouldn't be so bad , but the nebulous use of the trope as "a work is released with a laundry list of bugs and shortcomings that should've been removed in beta" that the trope has been around for years and this is the first time I've ever heard that "it only counts if it is literally unplayable" is how its required to be used (especially since actual betas tend to not actually be unplayable. Obvious Alpha would be a better name for it, if that's the meaning they intend to push - Obvious Beta is actually rather misleading as a title).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 19th 2022 at 2:36:08 AM

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#2723: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:34:17 PM

It's about wiki usage for TRS. The fact people continue to not actually look at the tropes' rules and how it properly works really doesn't matter unless it affects the wiki anyway. Everybody has their own opinion on what counts. In this case, the only factor that matters is using it on the wiki, and it's incorrect usage by all means.

In fanspeak, yeah, it's a Beta by all means when released. On the wiki, it doesn't count. It's not the first nor the last time tons of tropes are used differently between the forum and wiki. Fan conversations aren't a big deal anyway.

Shadow?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#2724: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:37:19 PM

It's about wiki usage for TRS. The fact people continue to not actually look at the tropes' rules and how it properly works really doesn't matter unless it affects the wiki anywa

That's what I said. Obviously wiki usage is the actual important subject here.

People tend not to add tropes to pages while also looking at the tropes they're utilizing for clarification: the general user is more general than pedantic. Thus, it is important not to have both names that are misleading and to be aware that wiki usage tends to skew towards misuse if tropes are needlessly specific.

The fact that they didn't rename the trope to Obvious Alpha if that's how they wanted it to be used, especially, is rather striking. I'd reiterate that for how they want the trope to be used, Obvious Beta is a poor naming choice.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 19th 2022 at 2:39:51 AM

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#2725: Nov 19th 2022 at 2:39:04 PM

Your old wording was pretty confusing, cause I misread it as "confusing on the forums" only.

Anyway, pretty sure the confusion is barely there, because it's been far easier to cleanup now that we can't apply it to any game that is a bit unfinished.

But I could be off. It might need a cleanup thread.

Shadow?

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