To-do list:
- Move examples for cute/shy/sweet characters with glasses and/or glasses used to emphasize a character's cuteness and vulnerability from Meganekko to Bespectacled Cutie if they fit, and remove them if they don't. Remove any Zero Context Examples. References to the Meganekko Fan Speak term can stay, but bulleted wicks are not allowed in example lists.
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Original post:
So, Meganekko has been misused for "any girl with glasses" for years now. There has been at least one TRS thread about this issue but it closed without a resolution.Here’s a wick check that me and Orbiting did for Meganekko.
- Characters.Mushoku Tensei Jobless Reincarnation: She's the soft-spoken, cute, glasses-wearing maid (later second wife) of the household.
- Anime.Waiting In The Summer: Ichika and Nanami are sweet, glasses-wearing girls.
- Science Hero's Babe Assistant: Chitose is the clumsy Meganekko assistant.
- Anime.Macross Frontier:Nanase
- Characters.Cavalier Of The Abyss: Just the trope name.
- Characters.Stand And Deliver: Just the trope name.
- Recap.ALZI Production Batgirl: Veronika.
- YMMV.Metal Slug: ZCE pothole
- Characters.Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch Villains: Mimi, as "Mari".
- Beginner's Luck: First, in the team tourney, she slams Kiyosumi's Mako with a Suuankou (4 concealed triples, a rare Yakuman hand worth max points).
- Characters.Violinist Of Hameln
- VideoGame.Zone Of The Enders: Dr. Rachel Links and Robin O'Connell.
- Characters.Sequential Art
- Manga.Lucu Lucu: Shiki Tohn—Harry Pott—I mean, Rokumon.
- Manga.Happy Lesson: Fumitsuki and Mutsuki at the house. Kanna as well.
- FanficRecs.Ah My Goddess: This results in our Heroines entering a Forced Prize Fight of Calvinball. Also, Hasegawa apparently Took a Level in Badass by reading The Zombie Survival Guide and is now a Badass Bookworm Meganekko Wrench Wench.
- Characters.Valkyria Chronicles III
- Characters.Dreams Of Death
- Webcomic.So What Im Still A Monster: Destiny, Savina, Bridgit, and Naomi.
- Manga.Bungo Stray Dogs: Louisa May Alcott.
- Characters.Inazuma Eleven Supporting Characters: In GO.
- Characters.Shirobako Musashino Animation Various Departments: Commented out ZCE that’s just the trope name.
- GameBreaker.Trails Series: With speed around 125, Diabolos Gem and Cast 2 quartz (both have casting delay reduction effect), you'll officially turn out cutie Meganekko into badass Fireball spammer burning everything in sight.
- Characters.Ghost Hound: Just the trope name.
- Sandbox.Dangan Ronpa Danketsu: Just the trope name.
- Characters.Randy Cunningham Ninth Grade Ninja Faculty Adults: Just the trope name.
- Kämpfer: Akane’s normal mode.
- Characters.Corpse Princess: Just the trope name.
- Recap.Leverage S 01 E 05 The Bank Shot Job: Sophie goes for this look as part of her cover.
- Series.Dream High: Baekhee and Pilsook, although Baekhee quickly loses hers.
- Anime.Hamtaro: Kana. Also, Dexter (well, they're marks on his fur that look like glasses, anyway...)
- Manga.Wakaba Girl: Nao.
- Characters.Alan Wake: Goes great with her lab coat and Little Black Dress.
- Characters.Arknights Vanguards A To M: She wears glasses in her alternate costume.
- Characters.Dead Or Alive Xtreme Venus Vacation: The only character who wears glasses by default.
- Characters.The Magic Roundabout: In the post-2005 era, Coral now wears glasses as part of her redesign
- Characters.The Powerpuff Girls The Heroes: When she gained glasses in "Bubblevision".
- Characters.Cardfight Vanguard V Series Anime: She wears glasses.
- Characters.The Quintessential Quintuplets: Wears glasses while in class and when studying. Her vision doesn't seem to be as bad as Nino's since she doesn't wear them otherwise, hinting that she's most likely just nearsighted and needs them to read print. As an adult, however, she appears to wear them full-time.
- Characters.Inazuma Eleven Managers: She usually wears her glasses on her head, but sometimes she wears them normally.
- Characters.Hololive Japan Generation Three Fantasy: Implied, since Pekora wears glasses.
- Characters.Grim Tales From Down Below: Uses glasses while reading or looking information on internet.
- Characters.El Chavo Del Ocho: Wears horn-rimmed eyeglasses.
- Manga.I Dont Like You At All Big Brother: Iroha, when she's not sporting her twintails.
- Anime.Mon Colle Knights: Guuko
- Anime Accent Absence: A strange example is Ana from Strawberry Marshmallow, a young British immigrant who is linguistically and socially more Japanese. Here the trope is justified, as she's more or less forgotten any English, and has to learn it from the show's (Japanese) glasses girl. Naturally, Ana speaks in a slower, formal tone, which coincidentally fits her being the gang's equivalent to The Ojou.
- Characters.Danganronpa 3 Despair Arc: Wears glasses with thin frames.
- Characters.Corpse Party: Wears square, black-rimmed glasses.
- Characters.Estoy Vivo:Sports big glasses.
- Manga.Yubisaki Milk Tea: Kurokawa, again. Sometimes, particularly when she's studying in later chapters, Hidari also wears glasses.
- Series.Yo Soy Betty La Fea: Betty's makeover transforms her into this archetype.
- Theatre.Firebringer: Emberly
- Western Animation.Grossology: Petunia Archer (Season 2) and Naomi are both shy-natured girls who are treated as quite pretty, glasses and all. Says nothing about them being kind/sweet
- Characters.Mr Bean: She wears glasses and looks attractive. Nothing about her personality is mentioned.
- Characters.Bonkers: Wears big, round glasses and is a major cutie. The character seems to fit the trope judging by the surrounding trope entries but the example doesn’t say anything about her personality
- Characters.Fate VRAINS Allies: Her glasses actually have scanner functions, and by god does she make them work.Googles Do Something Unusual
- Manga.Uzaki Chan Wants To Hang Out: Basically every random female store attendant in the series is one, along with being quite bosomy. Ami's also quite attractive and pretty much always wearing glasses, but her cuteness is more debatable with her rampant relishing in Eating the Eye Candy. Personality is not mentioned
- All Guys Want Cheerleaders: In "You Belong with Me," Taylor Swift just knows that she can't compete with her crush's girlfriend, who is of course cheer captain. Although according the video she can because she's Taylor Swift and looks freaking gorgeous including with the glasses it's idealistic. Personality is not mentioned
- Characters.Zits: She normally wears contacts, but in one strip had to wear her glasses. Jeremy was visibly into it. Personality is not mentioned
- WesternAnimation.Groj Band: Mina is very cute and wears large spectacles. Personality is not mentioned
- WebOriginal.Vividly ASMR: Annabelle in "C-Can I Sit Here...? The Girl on My Train is a Shy Megane! is a shy but sweet glasses wearing girl. Attractiveness isn't mentioned.
- JustForFun.Trope Title Shows: A documentary on cats, including the various roles, and ways they have affected mankind throughout history. JFF page
- Pantheon.Anti Heroes: Sheele: Apologetic Killer, Anime Chinese Girl, Badass Adorable, Meganekko, Purple Hair and Eyes, Cute Clumsy Girl, Parental Abandonment, Big-Ass Scissors Pantheon page
The only solution I can come up with to fix the issue would be to turn Meganekko into a Fanspeak page and then spin off Cute Glasses Girl / Sweet Glasses Girl into it’s own trope (similar to what we did with Kuudere and Sugar-and-Ice Personality).
Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 5th 2022 at 11:46:50 AM
Sweet Glasses Girl doesnt quite work. It doesn't cover the whole spectrum of Cute Nerdy, Emotionless, Shy, Clutzy, young (Dutiful little sisterish type), Quirky, Meancute/Tsundere and such.
The important point is the glasses are intended to make the character cuter than they are without, The Glasses Come Off usually means they go from cute to sexy. The glasses can get a ton of focus... to the point where it can get rather fetishy.
And... I would throw out Mega Neko, which is only named that cause of this trope.
Edited by Memers on Feb 10th 2022 at 12:25:38 PM
Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
Mega Neko has nothing to do with this discussion. Whether it's a snowclone of Meganekko doesn't matter, considering Did Not Do the Bloody Research is a snowclone of the infamous Permanent Red Link Club member Did Not Do The Research, but it still kept its name.
You can't always get what you want.
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right, that's why i think the move should be towards a complete appearance trope instead of the current version which is trying to be a stock character type
@Memers: I think you mean The Glasses Gotta Go.
Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
Are these our options here?
- Turn Meganekko into a Fan Speak page and create a separate trope for cute shy/sweet characters with glasses (name would be decided with another crowner)
- Rename Sexy Spectacles
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 11th 2022 at 5:14:37 AM
You can't always get what you want.
On the first option, there's disagreement on whether the new page will be "shy cute character that wears glasses" (this is close to what the current page is) vs "glasses used to emphasize a character's cuteness and vulnerability" (an appearance trope. semi-related, but a similar trope focusing on over-sized sleeves is currently being drafted in the TLP
)
Edited by amathieu13 on Feb 11th 2022 at 7:34:04 AM
Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
What about these?
- Turn Meganekko into a Fan Speak page and split off usage into at least one other trope
- If Meganekko is turned into a Fan Speak page and split, create a new trope for cute shy/sweet characters with glasses (name would be decided with another crowner)
- If Meganekko is turned into a Fan Speak page and split, create a new trope for glasses used to emphasize a character's cuteness and vulnerability (name would be decided with another crowner)
- Rename Sexy Spectacles
Would there be a problem with splitting off both of those meanings, or should the wording be revised to make the two mutually exclusive?
(As a side note, it's good to see that work has started on the tropes were split off Hand Hiding Sleeves after TRS disambiguated it and sent its subtypes to the Salvage Yard.)
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 12th 2022 at 11:38:40 AM
You can't always get what you want.
(she/her)
I think those options work.
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Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
Hooked a crowner. The option that covers both meanings is mutually exclusive with the options that cover them separately, but the options that have the meanings separate from each other aren't mutually exclusive with each other, meaning we could end up splitting two tropes off if both of those two have consensus.
The option for renaming Sexy Spectacles isn't mutually exclusive with any of the others because it's for a different trope.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 12th 2022 at 11:52:10 AM
You can't always get what you want.
Just wanna throw in a suggestion that I think Glasses Equals Cuteness could work as a unisex trope name for characters with glasses emphasize their shyness/innocence/cuteness
If the option for renaming Sexy Spectacles fails, can I bring it to TRS in its own thread later?
Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
I wouldn't have a problem with it. This thread wasn't originally made for that trope; it was just brought into the mix later on.
Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
Calling in favor of the following:
- Turn Meganekko into a Fan Speak page and split off usage into at least one other trope
- If Meganekko is turned into a Fan Speak page and split, create a new trope for both cute shy/sweet characters with glasses and glasses used to emphasize a character's cuteness and vulnerability
We still need a name for the new trope, so I'll hook a new crowner with the names that came up, since enough have already been suggested.
You can't always get what you want.
Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
Double posting because the rename crowner is hooked now.
You can't always get what you want.
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Downvoted Cute Glasses Girl because I think it sounds a bit clunky. I liked Bespectacled Cutie so I upvoted that one.
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Posting this comment to make public that I voted for Bespectacled Cutie (and I admit the name is pretty endearing by itself). I didn't upvote or downvote any of the other options.
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That's actually a really good point. Does the new trope have to be girls or no?
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(she/her)
I imagine that the new trope gender inclusive that makes that most sense. It's not Meganekko so there's no need to have gender restrictions.
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(she/her)
Calling in favor of calling the new trope for "glasses emphasize a characters cuteness and vulnerability" Bespectacled Cutie.
I'll get a sandbox ready shortly.
EDIT: Sandbox.Bespectacled Cutie has been made. There's no description yet but I'll try to make one from whole cloth later tonight.
Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 19th 2022 at 1:08:54 PM
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Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
Do we also need a sandbox for the Meganekko Fan Speak page?
You can't always get what you want.
(she/her)
Maybe? The description is mostly about the Fanspeak term so I think it's mostly good as it. We probably don't have to change much.
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Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
Can I put this on TRS Wick Cleaning now?
Crown Description:
Consensus was to turn Meganekko into a Fan Speak page and create a new trope for both cute shy/sweet characters with glasses and glasses used to emphasize a character's cuteness and vulnerability. What should the new trope's name be?
Sweet = kind and gentle, which often overlaps with, but is not the same as vulnerable, shy and/or cute.