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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#1126: May 27th 2025 at 10:45:38 AM

The tentative list would be the usual targets (Garland, Muddragon, Starving Venom) and some more specific options for facing certain decks (LDDL for Branded. Necroquip and Ariel Eater for Fiendsmith)

doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#1127: May 27th 2025 at 3:02:11 PM

Had better luck with the Branded alt arts than any of the other alt art packs, getting 2 Aluber, 3 Cartesia, and 4 Ecclesia. Guess it's because I don't even like the Cartesia alt art. tongue

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#1128: May 27th 2025 at 3:22:36 PM

Got 3 Albaz and nothing else of note. Oh well. Good thing I don't care for these alt arts.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#1129: May 27th 2025 at 3:31:28 PM

okay I suppose I should explaining the gameplans of may charmer decks

  • both versions use:
    • one of each FP charmer and Link version
    • 3 AOTP, 1 Unpossessed, 1 Ichirin, 1 Partnerships, 3 Spirit Charmers
    • 3 Nefariouser Archfiend Eater, three of the Level 5 version and one each of the other 3 Awakened Familiars
    • 3 Luna
    • 2 Solemn Judgement and 2 Warning
    • ED also has I:P, S:P, and TY-Phon

The divergences are

  • Magistus version:
    • adds 3 Zoroa, one Ririona, one Tris to the main deck and one each of Zoroa, Ririona, Artemis, Aiwass, and Varahm to the Extra Deck
    • Also has ZEUS in the ED since I have some space and Xyz Ririona can be used to go into it
    • Mix of Handtraps (and countermeasures to) and board breakers IIRC (more HTs than BBs with 2 Fuwa, 2 Maxx, 3 Ash, Crossout and 2 Called by to 1 LS, 1 DRNM and 1 Raigeki)
    • Currently the only one I can play since I do not have all the cards for the other RN
  • Superpoly version
    • Link/Fusion mix. The links are the Charmers, as well as I:P and S:P. The Fusions are Muddragon, Starving Venom, Dragostapella, Garura, Aerial Eater, Necroquip Princess and Light and Darkness Dragonlord. TY-PHON is as implied before also in the ED as the sole Xyz.
    • Planning on Morganites and Bordbreakers for this one. (superpoly itself, plus the three already mentioned), so HT's are out there. (I also removed Nefariouser Archfiend because I wasn't sure if its effect is an inherent summon or if it is if Morganite's lock would null that)

The ideas here

  • the generic plan would be on trying to get as many attributes and AOTP copies as possible to make a board of beatsticks. Use Spirit Charmers to get the right pieces and try to contorl or stunlock the opponent with secondary gameplans
  • Magistus is there to focus on ED summons, by summoning Zoroa calamety and equipping as many other Magistus to him as possible.
  • The Superpoly route meanwhile is obviously meant to be removal with utility tools and some payoffs (Mudragon can modulate attribute for the Charmer links or Familiars. Garura can become a decent OTK tool with Awakening. Dragonlord if it comes up [likely against Branded and maybe ritual BEWD brews] is well multiple negates, and Yuri's cards are to cover other common bases. Necroquip and Eater as specifically for Fiendsmith)
  • Ichirin and the Solemns provide additional negates for stun reasons. The former also lets be try to get a more relevant attribute as well.
  • Luna is the more consistent form of interaction.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on May 27th 2025 at 4:53:19 AM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#1130: May 27th 2025 at 4:42:07 PM

My Snake/Charmer/Geist deck just had a great "Never give up, never surrender" duel in Platinum 1 against Fiendsmith Snake Eye. They ended their first turn with up to nine negates, and two copies of Droll in hand, because that's just how yugioh is now.

I topdecked the one card I was hoping to keep in my deck: Awakening of the Possessed - Greater Inari Fire, because I was hoping for burn damage. But I still pulled it off just based off of what was in my hand starting hand (Luna, Diabellstar, two Evenly Matched, Imperm) and 2 cards from my extra deck (Dharc, Ty-Phon). I was able to attack for game on turn 4, after I topdecked Subversion to use against their Diabellstar.

Both of my Evenlys got negated, and I only negated one of their cards (with Imperm). I didn't destroy a single one of their cards... and yet I also didn't lose a single life point.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on May 27th 2025 at 7:24:17 AM

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#1131: Jun 12th 2025 at 7:38:11 AM

Yeah, now I remember why I stopped playing this game the first time -_-

I try and play with fun cards and archetypes that are NORMAL and everyone else is doing decks that don't even allow you to do anything because fuck having fun, I guess. When it's not "Oh I'm just gonna banish-mill your whole deck" it's Mimighoul bullshit or having Baronne le Fleur in a deck that doesn't have that fucking theme otherwise, or Blue-Eyes decks or other stuff that lets someone flood their field with 56000 point monsters in a single turn so the opponent doesn't get to do anything.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#1132: Jun 12th 2025 at 7:48:31 AM

That is the nature of pvp lootbox games. You'll always eventually end up facing people that had pulled out decks that can easily curbstomp you and there is little you can do about it no matter how skilled you are.

Granted the same issue exists in the TCG proper but it being a BO 3 format with sideboard gives you a better chance.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Jun 12th 2025 at 7:49:08 AM

MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#1133: Jun 12th 2025 at 7:53:19 AM

Also the general lack of any sort of single player type content where you can get away from the Ranked meta.

CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#1134: Jun 12th 2025 at 8:02:27 AM

[up][up][up] While I don't know what a "normal" deck looks like to you, decks like that have been the new normal for a long time. Outside of events, there really isnt much back and forth like in early HAT Format, and arguably hasnt been that way since 10 years ago.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#1135: Jun 12th 2025 at 8:33:15 AM

Sounds like a problem that needs fixing.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#1136: Jun 12th 2025 at 8:41:00 AM

[up]there is no fix tbh. Banning all the power cards will be a step in the right direction but there are too many and more importantly the MD banlists is styled after the ocg one, which is more casual-oriented.

Even if those cards were banned. The game being behind print means there is always a more opressive deck on the horizon. Tomorrow it is Maliss, the day after some Medius pile, after that god knows what abomination to balance Konami will cook for a quick buck.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#1137: Jun 12th 2025 at 8:56:56 AM

So just either suffer or don't play the game.

Nice.

CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#1138: Jun 12th 2025 at 10:47:25 AM

You could also....adapt? instead of just standing firm as power creep marches on, you could try to find something you like while trying to cut through modern deckbuilding. Like, the decks I tend to play can be far FAR from meta, but I still build them in a way that doesnt just die to an ash blossom, yknow?

Its like playing a deck from 2018 and being bummed it doesnt work well in 2025. Try to experiment, focus on stopping powerful chokepoints or try to find new styles. Or, if it really is that unappealing, quitting is also an option.

I've been playing Yugioh since about 2013. I cant play Sylvans or geargias or Dinoists with the same exact way as when I played them. but if I put in the time I could still make it work for me. All is not lost.

Edited by CountofBleck on Jun 12th 2025 at 1:50:40 PM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#1139: Jun 12th 2025 at 10:51:41 AM

There is some single-player content. Solo mode does exist, but there's not much left to it once you've completed it.

Hm... They could bring back Dice Rally as a permanent solo mode, and the opponent would have the option of every currently legal loaner, solo, or solo opponent deck.

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#1140: Jun 12th 2025 at 11:13:25 AM

[up[up][up][up] Abandoning the MD minor consistency hit philosphy and hitting the problem would be a step in the right direction at least. Not too long ago i saw a breakdown of the top 10 decks in rating duels, the absolute highest ranked in the game.

Half were Snake-Eyes still after over a year, because the deck is too good for minor hits to kill.

Thus actually reminds me of a Yugioh streamer talking about how at YCS events that the Edison or GOAT Time Wizard events always had people way happier than at the modern Yugioh portion. Well, until Konami killed it off out of nowhere and that they niw expect no one to show up.

Edited by doineedaname on Jun 12th 2025 at 2:23:16 PM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#1141: Jun 12th 2025 at 2:59:34 PM

It's not Snake Eye so much as it is modern card design. It's also Fiendsmith, and Millenium, and Horus, etc. The game is built around just throwing a fuckton of engines together to generate tons of no cost advantage. And it all builds to the same end state: Negate everything your opponent does and OTK.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Jun 12th 2025 at 5:05:17 AM

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#1142: Jun 12th 2025 at 3:17:59 PM

and again, trying to address that would require mass bans. Even something more in line with the TCG would require more bans then MS (or the playerbase) would tolerate. You can't exactly nerf Fiendsmith, Tearlament, Horus and the like without making them unplayable. and the secret packs provide a perverse incentive to avoid that as much as possible. and it will not stop the new hotness from arriving to wreck shit.

Ironically the Time Wizard changes might actually offer a silver lining as it seems geared towards making them easier to port to Master Duel and therefore making legacy formats more viable outside of events. However the onus is still on Konami to actually add those to the game and there is also the obvious issue in what the game play won't perfectly emulate the legacy format because of those same changes.

CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#1143: Jun 12th 2025 at 3:18:56 PM

Master Duel is a best of one game, while yugioh is balanced around best of 3 matches and the ability to side deck things. As a result of only one round no rematches, the best strategy is to make sure your opponent cant get started or you kill them as soon as possible.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#1144: Jun 12th 2025 at 5:09:21 PM

Isn't that still the main strategy in regular yugioh? The game's fundamentally about one player taking fun away from another.

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#1145: Jun 12th 2025 at 6:15:25 PM

Yeah, but in normal Yu-Gi-Oh, where people actually play to have fun, they at least let the opponent play, too.

doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#1146: Jun 12th 2025 at 6:36:33 PM

[up][up] In modern Yugioh because of how far the power creep has gone. But older formats like Edison have way more backforth.

[up][up][up][up] The fundamental problem is that Konami is based entirely around power creep invalidating old cards to sell new ones, paired with for MD specifically not wanting to give out UR refunds wherever possible. The banlist does not exist to handle problems with the game outside of egregious FT Ks but to help push product, otherwise Fluer, Apo, and so many other of the other toxic, broken engines like Fiendsmith would all be on it. I remember seeing on a discussion on the win rate of going first in response to I think last year's version of this MD event that a TCG company faced with a going first win rate lower than Yugiohs was... to change the rules to lower it because going first was too good.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#1147: Jun 12th 2025 at 6:57:20 PM

That's why every deck needs to run 15+ handtraps. I'm running Fiendsmith Bystial right now, and that deck (like every other) cannot break boards with just engine. If I go second and don't open 2+ handtraps (or get Maxx C negated) I'm already hovering over the scoop button.

CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#1148: Jun 12th 2025 at 6:57:30 PM

[up]my point is that its been over a decade since that back and forth has been present in the average number of matches. When field spells started getting crazy in mr3 and monster effects began getting stronger is when it started to crumble. Yugioh feels more simillar to like a high paced fighting game like UMVC 3 than a card game at this point. I do miss the slower days and when life points mattered more, and during some events I can sometimes have fun with those, but its clear we cant go back to those days in this era.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#1149: Jun 12th 2025 at 7:02:34 PM

Yeah, at this point if you want actual backforth you need to just play against friends with decks that aren't sweaty meta-slave builds.

doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#1150: Jun 14th 2025 at 1:43:27 PM

[up] Or Stun, because Konami for some god forsaken reason decided leaving those cards legal is "fun". The day Pachy and the Barrier Statues are banned will be one to celebrate.

Edited by doineedaname on Jun 14th 2025 at 4:46:11 AM


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