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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#276: Mar 28th 2022 at 7:54:04 AM

Two dickheads embarrassing themselves on live TV seems to be the most common reaction in my own circle. Shitty joke that didn't nerd telling, probably didn't really deserve getting a slap about but no one looks great here.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#277: Mar 28th 2022 at 7:56:32 AM

Regarding "slapgate", I thought it was funny and fairly justifiable if not appropriate, I think in part because of a vaguely unfavorable opinion of Chris Rock (something about his politics I think). But I "also" consider Will Smith to be in that "zone" of actors like Tom Cruise and Jared Leto (among others) who are not... normal. And probably/definitely belong to a cult.

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#278: Mar 28th 2022 at 8:08:14 AM

Something that I find interesting but isn't getting talked about as much. With Ariana DeBose winning Supporting Actress her character Anita Palacio is now one of three roles that have won two different performers (Rita Moreno and DeBose) Oscars joining Vito Corleone (Marlon Brando and Robert De Niro) and the Joker (Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix).

Edited by Bullman on Mar 28th 2022 at 10:35:32 AM

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#279: Mar 28th 2022 at 8:28:50 AM

Her very first film role, too. If she wants to keep acting she's got a bright career ahead of her.

Oh wait, wrong actress. I was thinking the girl that played Maria.

Edited by theLibrarian on Mar 28th 2022 at 10:29:44 AM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#280: Mar 28th 2022 at 8:45:44 AM

Good for her, but also ridiculous when you think about how no other Latina has won an acting Oscar in 60 years, and it's for the same midcentury role as the first one.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#281: Mar 28th 2022 at 8:49:34 AM

Well "Oscars So White" wasn't that long ago.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#282: Mar 28th 2022 at 9:00:06 AM

That is an odd character to get the Oscar twice. You have an iconic movie villain, an iconic comic book villain, and… a side character from a musical.

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#283: Mar 28th 2022 at 9:38:45 AM

The reactions to the slap have a tendency to fall along generational lines. Older folks seem to find the whole thing ugly or side with Chris while younger peeps find it funny or are siding with Will. Of course, there are exceptions.
A friend of mine observed, at least on Twitter, that it's been mostly women defending Will Smith, while mostly men are defending Chris Rock.

He also took note that several white racists have been complaining that if Will Smith had been white, he would have been arrested on the spot. (Rolls eyes)

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#284: Mar 28th 2022 at 9:41:11 AM

Even though he was escorted out of the venue I believe.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#285: Mar 28th 2022 at 9:42:20 AM

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Not surprising at all. Anita is one of the most memorable roles from what is also an 'iconic' musical. She leads the big "America" dance number (both versions linked here) and that's not even the meatiest part of the role.

If anything 'triple threat' performers should be more rewarded now since they don't make the big studio musicals anymore, so it's even rarer that a big role goes to someone who sings well and dances well while acting well.

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 28th 2022 at 11:43:32 AM

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#286: Mar 28th 2022 at 9:57:02 AM

[up][up][up]Funny I've been seeing the reverse, mostly women attacking Will Smith. That could be due to a number of factors, trends I looked at on twitter, newsfeed differences. I don't think you can concretely say which gender supported which actor more.

Edited by jjjj2 on Mar 28th 2022 at 1:21:23 PM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#287: Mar 28th 2022 at 10:23:28 AM

I found out about the slap from a wrestling website, of all things, probably trying to get more clicks with the bait. My own opinion is largely that I support Will because it was the straw that broke the camel's back considering he had to deal with his wife getting harassed over the internet for her disease. Rock would have been legally in the right to press charges, but that's as far as I go defending him.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#288: Mar 28th 2022 at 11:00:04 AM

You know, last night as it was going down I retweeted something mourning how this would invariably be spun into literally every opinion imaginable about ableism, how people perceive blackness, assault, toxic masculinity, misogynoir, What The Oscars Mean As An Institution, gender dynamics in marriage, lines comedians should(n't) cross, etc. etc. when in ultimately it is just something that happened between three rich people who are known to be kind of weird. 14 hours later and it was incredibly true.

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 28th 2022 at 1:00:30 PM

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#289: Mar 28th 2022 at 11:00:09 AM

There's an additional meme related to the "Smith/Rock" incident that's popped up. Apparently Andrew Garfield was on his phone texting somebody, while everyone else was reacting in shock.

One funny meme is he's texting the other Spider-Mans to see if Smith slapped Rock in their universes too.

Another amusing joke is people using it as an example how when we're glued to our phones, we miss things (assuming Garfield missed the slap due to being in his phone).

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#290: Mar 28th 2022 at 11:20:38 AM

Question: Are Will Smith and/or Chris Rock part of the Academy?

Because again, I am incredibly unconvinced this was real. So knowing whether or not they had more or less of a stake in the matter would help.

Like... it's so comically convenient. I cannot overstate that enough. I mentioned lower viewership before as well as the fact that this somehow didn't affect the ceremony in the slightest, but then it occurred to me that the fact the most notable moment from this Oscars involved two black men also handily and cheekily addresses the "Oscars So White" issue. "What do you mean 'Oscars So White'? The memetic moment from 2022 was between two not white men!"

Edited by Larkmarn on Mar 28th 2022 at 2:21:53 PM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#291: Mar 28th 2022 at 11:32:54 AM

I feel like this is real. What would anyone gain from this dumb shit? Chris Rock made a dumb joke, Will Smith laughed until his wife glared at him, he overcorrected and resorted to violence, end of story.

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#292: Mar 28th 2022 at 11:35:27 AM

I have a question, not related to Smith and Rock.

Were there some disrespectful comments made about animation made at last night's ceremony? I'm reading from a lot of people in the animation business and animation fans, that last night's treatment was disrespectful to the art form, but I'm not finding anything specific.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#293: Mar 28th 2022 at 11:37:52 AM

Were there some disrespectful comments made about animation made at last night's ceremony? I'm reading from a lot of people in the animation business and animation fans, that last night's treatment was disrespectful to the art form, but I'm not finding anything specific.

Something about focusing on animation as if it were only for children.

Zarina Since: Aug, 2014
#294: Mar 28th 2022 at 11:40:54 AM

[up] The introduction to the Best Animated Picture category made some jokes about animated films being only for kids and something that adults just suffer through for the sake of said kids. Since the animated films usually get shafted in terms of perceived prestige etc. to begin with (and one of the nominees was a quite serious adult animated film about refugees) quite a few people have found it disrespectful and invalidating of the work that goes into those films.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#295: Mar 28th 2022 at 11:41:26 AM

It's the typical Animation Age Ghetto comments you would expect.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#296: Mar 28th 2022 at 11:43:48 AM

...And the presenters were three live-action Disney Princesses, no less. Like it wasn't obvious enough that that was the company line.

Anyway Mitchells was robbed, I'm hoping the Spiderverse sequel comes for the mouse house next year :)

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 28th 2022 at 1:44:03 PM

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#297: Mar 28th 2022 at 11:44:44 AM

Not to mention initially in the pandemic animation was keeping the whole industry afloat.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#298: Mar 28th 2022 at 11:58:00 AM

Because again, I am incredibly unconvinced this was real. So knowing whether or not they had more or less of a stake in the matter would help.
The American ABC broadcast was immediately censored when Will spouted off two f-bombs in a short rant, along with Chris's retort spouting off the word "shit". It was absolutely unplanned, considering Will was pulled aside after the incident. Chris just decided not to press charges for the incident, when confronted by the LAPD.

The Nielsen viewership ratings have improved by 56% from last year's historic low, totaling 15.36 million. It's still considered the second-lowest in the Oscars' televised history.


Regarding animation, I would also add that "Best Animated Short" was not televised this year. The winner was The Windshield Wiper by Alberto Migelo (pre-production on Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, The Witness), who tried to offer some words of inspiration in his acceptance:
Animation is an art that includes every single art that you can imagine. Animation for adults is a fact. It’s happening. Let’s call it cinema. I’m very honored because this is just the beginning of what we can do with animation.”

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Mar 28th 2022 at 2:58:26 PM

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#299: Mar 28th 2022 at 12:00:03 PM

how this would invariably be spun into literally every opinion imaginable about ableism, how people perceive blackness, assault, toxic masculinity, misogynoir, What The Oscars Mean As An Institution, gender dynamics in marriage, lines comedians should(n't) cross, etc. etc.

This is my problem as well. The discourse surrounding this incident has been INSANE.

I think a lot of media commentators (mainly white ones) ignore or are downright missing the politics that make this situation a lot more nuanced than it may seem.

For some people, this is black elitism losing its cool in the presence of white prestige. For another group, this a vindication for black women after being disrespected in the media for comedy. For others, this is a tipping point for comedians who have been become increasingly controversial with the public (especially black ones like Dave Chappelle, Kevin Hart, and on a completely different level Bill Cosby). And finally, for many white people, this is a serious act of violence that should be reprimanded.

Personally, while I agree that Will walking on stage and slapping Chris Rock was stupid and bizarre I also think it was Will Smith’s breaking point after years of being the bigger person. It’s mostly sad, but I also think people are being hyperbolic. And the people who are blaming Jada for any of this can eat rocks.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#300: Mar 28th 2022 at 12:00:52 PM

I think the organization is more than happy to milk the hell out of it today, but I truly don't think they saw it coming. Maybe Smith or Rock did, I don't know — but part of me thinks that if they knew it was happening we would have a lot more shocked face reaction memes and less weird sound cutting and obvious scrambling (the anecdotes about his publicist taking him for a sidebar, Denzel counseling him etc).

Also if you wanted a PR stunt I cannot believe any exec would okay "let's tank our Best Actor frontunner's rep minutes before he wins Best Actor" ahead of literally...anything else.

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 28th 2022 at 2:02:18 PM


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