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Malady (X-Troper)
#126: Jan 27th 2022 at 7:09:35 AM

I assumed that the draft holds examples that would fit better here, since I can't check, and Card Cycling isn't just about mulligans but about all Discard And Draws, since these examples are still there.

  • A mechanic that often shows up in Blue, such as (name&link) and (name&link), allows one or more players to discard their entire hand, and draw new cards (usually, but not always, the same number that you had beforehand).
  • A mechanic that shows up in both Red and Blue cards is the "draw, then randomly discard from your hand" mechanic. (Name&link) has this happen with a single card, while (name&link) has this happen with X cards.


Still a :( on the name but ok.


Otherwise, here's some card databases:

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=%2B%5Bdraw%5D%2B%5Bdiscard%5D

https://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/

https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/pokemon-cards/

Edited by Malady on Jan 27th 2022 at 7:12:37 AM

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#127: Jan 27th 2022 at 7:15:17 AM

I transplanted examples marked as incorrect in the wick check, so we're past the minimum of three on-page examples for Sandbox.Card Cycling.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#128: Jan 27th 2022 at 7:20:24 AM

OK, to be fair, there was one example on the Draw Extra Cards draft that fits Card Cycling, but that's all I found.

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#129: Jan 27th 2022 at 9:18:24 AM

Many other card games and board games such as Apples to Apples and Terraforming Mars have similar card-cycling mechanics.

Kirby is awesome.
Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#130: Jan 27th 2022 at 10:55:50 AM

[up] Can you describe them and put them on the draft?

Wuz Since: Jun, 2013
#131: Jan 27th 2022 at 11:25:31 AM

Can somebody summarize what trope are we trying to make with Card Cycling again? I'm unsure of our intention with the trope, and I don't feel comfortable with my current trope definition.

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#132: Jan 27th 2022 at 11:48:38 AM

A card game mechanic or action where the player rids some number of cards in their hand (into a discard pile or back into the deck) and picks up some number of random cards (from the deck, a bank, etc.) to replace them?

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#133: Jan 27th 2022 at 12:25:19 PM

Not random, but some number of cards yes.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Malady (X-Troper)
#134: Jan 28th 2022 at 8:26:52 PM

Beyond the need to expand the skeleton Magic The Gathering entries to something more specific, what are we missing?

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#135: Feb 2nd 2022 at 2:59:10 PM

Maybe we should put Sandbox.Card Cycling in the TLP to gather more examples as well as feedback on the general concept of the draft.

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#136: Feb 3rd 2022 at 4:49:12 AM

I don't have any problem with doing that.

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#137: Feb 3rd 2022 at 2:36:29 PM

I think we can just close this thread since we aren’t doing anything to Discard and Draw and Sandbox.Card Cycling probably needs to be developed more at the TLP.

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#139: Feb 3rd 2022 at 3:16:05 PM

Would be nice to find a volunteer sponsor for the TLP, or have it on the salvage yard.

Discard and Draw needs a cleanup of misuse (and moves of Card Cycling entries to the sandbox).

Malady (X-Troper)
#140: Feb 3rd 2022 at 4:09:14 PM

How many more examples do we need?

Edited by Malady on Feb 3rd 2022 at 4:27:49 AM

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#141: Feb 3rd 2022 at 5:33:49 PM

It is generally better for a draft to bake awhile, even if there were enough examples to launch it right away (there aren't).


I could probably review the draft and improve it by the end of the weekend, but I don't think that I want to be launching it within a month. I wouldn't be able to shepard the draft on a daily basis right now. If I need to be the one sponsoring, I could start it this weekend, but the page wouldn't be in launch condition until around April.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
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#142: Feb 3rd 2022 at 6:54:26 PM

Starred the thread because it looks like that was overlooked (since any decision making there's left to do would be done on TLP and not here, since it looks like Card Cycling is being sent to TLP).

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Giantman04 Since: Dec, 2015
#143: Feb 5th 2022 at 7:11:36 PM

I saw "Powers Lost, Powers Gained" before in this thread and I think that could work as a new name for the trope. I can see where the confusion for the "card game" misleading name comes from.

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#144: Feb 6th 2022 at 8:31:44 AM

[up]We're not renaming this. We're just spinning misuse off into its own trope.

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#145: Feb 6th 2022 at 1:03:24 PM

TLP created: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=dkw45s6aktrzng5i5z5t5v0s

Thread is now locked.

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Trope Repair Shop: Discard and Draw split
24th Jan '22 12:14:31 AM

Crown Description:

Consenus was to split misuse of Discard And Draw, which is about card replacement mechanics in card games, into a new trope. What should the new trope's name be?

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