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DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#1876: Jul 5th 2022 at 3:09:23 PM

Crazy theory: Wanda of 838 will not be framed for the crimes she committed while possessed, but instead is forced to replace Captain Marvel as a member. (Assuming that Wanda really stole Maria's powers)

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#1877: Jul 5th 2022 at 4:10:03 PM
Thumped: Please see The Rules . This is a warning that this post is the sort of thing that will get you suspended.
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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#1878: Jul 5th 2022 at 4:11:06 PM

Already posted (and was in fact the topic of the discussion).

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#1879: Jul 5th 2022 at 4:18:34 PM

[up][up]You're also not supposed to drop just a bare video link like that without any sort of context.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#1880: Jul 5th 2022 at 4:20:02 PM

I'm still bummed we just had a weird mursery Strange who died off screen.

Also why did Wanda give up on Vis and only mention their kids?

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#1881: Jul 5th 2022 at 4:27:27 PM

@Arthur

Understood, I was unsure if it being embeded would still require more description or not, thanks and apologies.

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#1882: Jul 5th 2022 at 4:32:17 PM

I do wonder if Vision is still the "father" of Billy and Tommy in the other universes. Like, were they still magic conceptions like in WandaVision? Was Vision actually human in that universe and is biologically their father? Is the father someone else?

Probably not that important, but it's something I'm curious about since they never mention any Vision variants during the film.

Dictionaryman616 Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#1883: Jul 5th 2022 at 4:33:34 PM

From a Watsonian standpoint: Wanda is so corrupted by the Darkhold, that she doesn't care about Vision anymore and her kids are the cornerstone for her happiness and climatic life.

From a Doylist standpoint: Elizabeth Olsen explains that "The kids are part of [Wanda's] myth as well. I think that's also part of it. I do think that once you're a mother, the loss of your child is more painful than any other loss you could ever experience. That's really why."

She also implied that in the 838 Universe, Vision and Wanda are divorced.

And White Vision is simply a emotionless carbon copy robot that is not truly relevant to the story in anyway whatsoever.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#1884: Jul 5th 2022 at 4:43:01 PM

If an actor has to explain something after the fact the film has failed to do so.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#1885: Jul 5th 2022 at 4:50:43 PM

I think Wanda wanting to go after the kids but not Vision was explained in Wandavision itself. In that she lets go of Vision, gives him a tearfelt goodbye as she realizes he's well and truly dead (with White Vision being, as explained in that theseus ship scene, essentially a entirely different person). Then she goes off to the woods and hears the voice of her kids (not Vision) in the Darkhold, implying to her that they (but not Vision) are still out there somewhere.

It could have done with a "What about Vision?" "Vision is dead." sort of exchange though.

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ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#1886: Jul 5th 2022 at 5:11:24 PM

I'll say that my guess is that the Darkhold was limiting her vision to places that suited it's goal. Wanda could tell herself that killing and replacing another universe's version of her (or shoving them through the other way, so they're stuck in her dimension, or whatever she was planning) didn't really hurt anyone else, but she'd basically have to kill Vision in order to take his wife's place believably. Also, there was a nontrivial chance a Vision could talk her out of things, as he'd sort of done before.

Alternatively, she didn't want the possibility of losing him again, so she was avoiding those worlds intentionally.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1887: Jul 5th 2022 at 5:13:06 PM

I mean, yes, the Doylist reason is that if Vision was here, it would be a whole different plot.

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#1888: Jul 5th 2022 at 5:39:29 PM

Also remember that Wanda didn't actually pick 838, that's just where America and Strange ended up. She very well could've tried for a universe with Vision had she taken America's powers.

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#1889: Jul 5th 2022 at 10:04:02 PM

If White Vision is just irrelevant to the story, then they did not give him the right ending. Because everything about it screams set up.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#1890: Jul 5th 2022 at 10:11:22 PM

The question of who Billy and Tommy's dad is has been brought up a few times before, it's possible it could be a different version of Vision who may be dead in those universes.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#1891: Jul 5th 2022 at 10:14:55 PM

I hope there's another miniseries where Vision has constructed his own family to replace the one he lost.

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#1892: Jul 6th 2022 at 7:06:59 AM

I don't. I know the comic you're referencing, but trying to bring it to the big screen would just feel like WandaVision 2: Now With 100% Less Wanda.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#1893: Jul 6th 2022 at 8:21:41 AM

Wandavision cribs so much from that Vision run to begin with that at this point the only value in going back to that well is to set up Viv.

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#1894: Jul 6th 2022 at 8:05:26 PM

I think if/when we see Wanda again, I think her Scarlet Witch costume should undergo another revision, and be a cross of the two we've got so far: like, give me the texture of the costume and crown we have in Multiverse of Madness, but on the brighter red and sleeveless design of the WandaVision costume. At the very least, a brighter red costume would make do (I get that the Multiverse of Madness suit is supposed to be darker to visually convey the Darkhold corruption, but it isn't that far from being completely black in some scenes).

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#1895: Jul 6th 2022 at 8:52:04 PM

Another Wanda versus Illuminati video, this time with Ed, Edd n Eddy sound effects:

Damn, even with the silliness of that soundtrack, this is a pretty messy fight. Like, between this and what they do to Gargantos earlier in the film, I don't think we'll have to worry about how Deadpool 3 will go, at least in terms of violence.

The excessive swearing will likely be dialled down, but Wade's gonna lampshade that shit anyway.

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#1896: Jul 7th 2022 at 6:43:16 AM

I really liked this movie. Loved how it leaned into more of a horror vibe.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1897: Jul 7th 2022 at 10:52:51 AM

Looks like George R.R. Martin enjoyed Multiverse of Madness.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/wio34x1f6q991.png

https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2022/07/02/fanboying/

Edited by windleopard on Jul 7th 2022 at 6:54:22 PM

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#1898: Jul 7th 2022 at 10:56:12 AM

He sure loved the part where the movie suddenly murdered a bunch of beloved characters evil grin

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1899: Jul 7th 2022 at 10:56:25 AM

Good on him for enjoying himself.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#1900: Jul 7th 2022 at 12:55:27 PM

...good for him I guess.

Edited by FOFD on Jul 7th 2022 at 4:01:16 AM


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