Yeah, that's on Feige, I believe, not on Raimi and/or Waldron.
I think it was Matt Shakman and Jac Schaeffer who did that stinger, and they did so from the approach of "Wanda is studying the Darkhold to learn about her powers". (Yeah, she wasn't trying to find her kids then, as I see it, considering this scene comes merely minutes after she said goodbye to them and tucked them into bed in preparation for taking down the Hex.)
Okey Dokey!I'm disappointed with the movie not exploring as many universes as they could, it's called multiverse of madness and they spent most of their time in just one alternative universe or the usual one, and we only got small glimpses for most of the other ones they showed, I especially would have liked to see more of the paint universe, I wonder how such a place would have worked.
Yeah, the lack of other 'verses is a distinct flaw of the film. I was genuinely surprised by Everything Everywhere for being exactly the kind of movie that something called "Multiverse of Madness" should be. The movie even also had a really compelling central plot about a mother single-mindedly trying to reconnect with her child across the vastness of the multiversal cosmos by making catastrophic decisions and indulging in dark, dangerous powers that can't be controlled. All culminating in a reality-bending confrontation between its principal characters taking place in every reality simultaneously.
It really felt like Everything Everywhere was trying to live up to the promises made by Multiverse of Madness. And despite a shoestring budget, it succeeded.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 4th 2022 at 9:43:08 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.If I haven't mentioned it before, I think that the main purpose of Earth 838 was so that our Wanda could kill some familiar faces for shock value without it having impact on the main 616 versions of these characters. I mean, I seriously doubt we are going to see the 838 universe again.
Okey Dokey!And it's an even greater shame that we're probably gonna have to wait at least another 5-6 years untilt the real Mordo can finally shine as a villain.
Edited by Forenperser on Jul 4th 2022 at 12:54:25 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianMordo's fate is honestly up in the air. Sam Raimi and Michael Waldron clearly had absolutely no interest in following up on the cliffhanger from the first Dr. Strange film. They were here to tell their story and not to let some other guy's movie get in the way of that.
But we don't know if they're coming back for Strange 3, or if the franchise is going to change hands again. If they do come back, I wouldn't hold your breath for a satisfying resolution to Mordo. They didn't care to tell his story this time; Why would they care to tell it next time?
But if it changes hands, then who knows what will happen?
Waldron, incidentally, seems to be fast becoming Marvel's multiverse guy. He's a rookie creative, cutting his teeth on Rick and Morty before getting hired to write both Loki and Multiverse of Madness. He's also working on Loki's second season.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 4th 2022 at 3:34:17 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I think the Mordo stuff wouldn't bother me so much, if Strange didn't outright say that he fought him offscreen between movies.
I feel with a few rewrites (well, a decent amount at least), you could incorporate the canon Mordo somewhere in this story. Somewhere he and Strange forge an uneasy alliance, since Mordo recognizes the danger Wanda poses and tries to convince Strange that magic is inherently dangerous. You could have him be one pushing for more extreme measures of dealing with Wanda and America.
But on the other hand, that's kind of what the other Stranges are in the story for, and you'd risk diluting the character arc Strange had throughout the movie. It's a tricky balancing act, for sure.
Today we got, Everything Wrong With Morbius and now we wait for Everything Wrong With Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness on CinemaSins.
Given how atrocious Cinema Sins is there's a 50-50 chance "Everything wrong with Morbius" is somehow worse than Morbius itself.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I know things like Pitch Meeting and Honest Trailers thrive on Accentuate the Negative but I must admit it feels good to have my own complaints parroted back to me by youtube.
I think both of those are fun, though Honest Trailers works a lot better for me when they're shorter (like an actual film trailer). The longer they go the more it ends up having to draw more and more on pearl-clutching histrionics (oh won't somebody think of the poor X-Men?).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Honest Trailers is more concerned with Rule of Funny than Cinema Sins is, and as such isn't afraid of softballing or even praising works if it makes for a more entertaining script. Cinema Sins on the other hand has Accentuate the Negative as its entire gimmick, on top of tending to posture as serious criticism (or at least having a huge contingent of Poe's Law fans/haters who do treat it as serious criticism even when it's obviously trying not to be).
They're both satire/parody channels, but only one of them has the comedic chops to be actually funny from time to time.
Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 5th 2022 at 4:24:43 AM
It’s pretty disheartening meeting people who take Cinema Sins super seriously and thus view films as all trees and no forest. I knew a guy in my neighborhood who kept citing them and said movies shouldn’t be allowed to have plot holes. I challenged him to name a fictional story without any. He couldn’t name a single one.
Cinemasins is something that cater to a darker, more sensationalist side of "criticism." It leans heavily into "tropes exist, and that's worthy of mockery," often nitpicks things that aren't problems at all, often feeds into memes ("this movie exists! <ding!>") for its criticism, etc. It's comes off as more for a place for people who didn't like X film to go to have their disdain reflected back at them.
Though Pitch Meeting and Honest Trailers do get negative (and even then, they both are far more willing to point out when a work is doing something right), there's at the very least more often an acknowledgement of why a thing they're mocking is a problem and both go into how the things they're claiming are poor make no sense.
Cinemasins instead tends to feel like it's trying to fill a quota of "problems," most of which don't exist or are clearly just normal parts of the movie. It's right on occasion, but it's still not great.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 5th 2022 at 1:01:06 AM

Multiverse scene from Everything Everywhere All At Once
Multiverse scene from Dr. Strange 2
Implied multiverse scene from Sonic 2
I adore that all 3 of these came out around the same time.
Edited by FOFD on Jul 4th 2022 at 8:37:38 AM