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Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2051: Mar 16th 2022 at 11:50:00 AM

What does any of this (pagetopper, comic power tiers of non-NWH characters discussion) have to do with Spider-Man: No Way Home?

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 16th 2022 at 1:50:21 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#2052: Mar 16th 2022 at 11:53:26 AM

IIRC, it sprung from a discussion of whether the original FFH plan of having Kraven, and/or the possibility of Kraven as a future Spidey film villain, was a good thing.

But it's definitely veered off topic since then.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 16th 2022 at 11:54:52 AM

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#2053: Mar 16th 2022 at 12:21:32 PM

So, anyway, No Way Home is now out on Blu-Ray.

The legend has returned.
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#2054: Mar 16th 2022 at 12:33:28 PM

Are there any deleted scenes on it?

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#2055: Mar 16th 2022 at 9:34:08 PM

[up][up]Where is it out on blu ray?

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#2056: Mar 16th 2022 at 9:40:02 PM

[up] Mild confusion here: The digital release is available now, with some bonus footage included. The physical Blu-Ray will release on April 12.

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#2057: Mar 16th 2022 at 10:16:16 PM

[up]Gotcha, thanks!

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#2058: Mar 16th 2022 at 11:37:22 PM

Watching it at home alone is a slightly awkward experience. There seem to be many pauses to let the audience catch their breath/stop cheering.

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#2059: Mar 21st 2022 at 8:36:00 AM

YMMV on that. I'm happy for a movie to give itself a second to let a scene or action sink in. I saw the movie in a completely empty theater (barring my wife who... let's just say doesn't appreciate everything the way a big fan does), thus no cheering or anything, and never thought it was awkward due to pauses after big moments.

And again, I'm a guy who didn't love the movie so it's odd for me to wind up being a defender against a fairly reasonable criticism.

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#2060: Mar 22nd 2022 at 8:25:35 AM

So having watched the movie during the week and I definitely enjoyed the movie, but if you take away the fan service and nostalgia filters the is still good but goes down a level or two IMO. Lizard, Sandman, and Venom served no purpose. Especially Venom, given that the version from Spider-Man 3 could have been used if the whole point was just to drop off the symbiote in the MCU. Alfred Molina and Willem Dafoe were both amazing, especially Dafoe. Jamie Foxx was good as well, though he seemed to be off from his character in his original movie. The Happy/May relationship was kind of off, like Happy comes off kind of creepy and clingy in the beginning which was played for comedy. But then that gets dropped when they need to use his apartment, and him showing up at the grave at the end is played more seriously. The whole Mysterio accusation is dropped way to quickly, its really just an excuse to set up Peter's visit to Dr Strange.

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#2061: Mar 23rd 2022 at 9:12:40 AM

"Lizard, Sandman, and Venom served no purpose"

That Lizard and Sandman are just enemies to beat doesn't seem so bad to me. Sandman and Lizard did have a purpose, because they had action scenes, that it did not have its own sub-plot is something else.

The movie would have felt very heavy, if these two villains had their own sub-plots.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Mar 23rd 2022 at 9:13:51 AM

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#2062: Mar 23rd 2022 at 12:13:02 PM

[up]By purpose I meant plot-purpose. Lizard and Sandman are just there to have more bad guys to fight, whereas Electro, Goblin, and Doc Ock all are more connected to the plot. Like they could have just dropped one of them and kept the other one for the action scenes.

Edit: And add to that the fact that both are just CGI characters due to COVID, which works for Lizard but is more noticeable for Sandman.

Edited by Hawkeye86 on Mar 23rd 2022 at 3:17:52 PM

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#2063: Mar 23rd 2022 at 12:25:58 PM

Sandman in particular I felt way too ooc as the movie progressed.

He starts helping Spider-Man, immediately turns against him, more or less collaborates after seeing Peter's intentions, then just follows the rest of the bad guys for no particular reason.

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#2064: Mar 23rd 2022 at 12:28:33 PM

I do wonder why they didn't bring in one of the Harries. Preferably Dane DeHaan. His villainous motive is that he's mad Peter won't help him cure his fatal illness. Do you realize how well that segues into this whole "Cure the villains" thing?

It's clear from Lizard and Sandman's lack of presence or screentime that they were trying to do a thing here. They were going for quantity of villains over quality. It's never said out loud in the film, but this is a Sinister Six movie.

But there are five villains. Yes, yes, I know. Venom. The "sixth" is a post-credits gag. But I still feel like there should have been an actual Sixth member of the Sinister Six.

And that should have been Dane's Harry.

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#2065: Mar 23rd 2022 at 12:33:12 PM

I mean, I guess two Goblin's in one movie would've been too much.

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#2066: Mar 23rd 2022 at 12:35:12 PM

Teamups of loads of villains who were originally solo villains always feels kinda weird to me. They rarely feel like they're actually more of a threat as a unit, because each one has to beaten quicker than they would have been had they been alone, y'know? Conservation of Ninjutsu and all that.

And because there's more of them, you can't give them as much focus in the story.

Edited by GNinja on Mar 23rd 2022 at 7:35:45 PM

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#2067: Mar 23rd 2022 at 1:46:30 PM

Although in this case at no time did it seem to me that the villains were victims of Conservation of Ninjutsu.

The Peters had to work as a team and focus on one enemy at a time in order to defeat them.

Even Electro was able to beat two Peters at the same time.

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#2068: Mar 23rd 2022 at 1:59:25 PM

[up] I mean, they all still went down far quicker than they would have if they were the film's sole villain.

Electro gets a decent showing, and Gobby is great (though I didn't like his final fight) but I was really dissapointed by Ock, Sandman, and Lizard.

Edited by GNinja on Mar 23rd 2022 at 9:04:32 AM

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#2069: Mar 23rd 2022 at 2:16:32 PM

I think Sandman made enough sense. He first meets Peter and doesn't know what's going on, but trusts him since he knows his Peter is a good person. Then Peter seemingly vaporizes Electro, which loses that trust. And once he realizes what's going on, he just wants to go back to his home universe, not caring much about whether he and the other villains are cured or not. He gives Peter a shot at it, but after that goes horribly wrong he just wants to hit the button before something worse happens, and Electro actually attacks him over this during the final battle (though it doesn't do much).

As for him being sand the whole time, while the real world reason is obvious, in-universe I take it as his condition being unstable and breaking down since the end of Spider-Man 3. Possibly meaning he was closer to death than he realized.

Edited by FGHIK on Mar 23rd 2022 at 4:17:52 AM

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#2070: Mar 23rd 2022 at 3:40:39 PM

I'm fully convinced Sony didn't want to fully commit to a Sinister Six because they still want to do their own Sinister Six movie and so the villains here functionally fill that role while still technically leaving that door open.

And of all of them the real disappointment is Lizard. Ock has his own little arc, Sandman gets quite a bit to make his presence known, and Venom is a post-credit gag. Lizard however is completely superfluous: his capture's glossed over for the sake of establishing the plot, he skips out on the entire apartment scene, and come the final battle he only really serves as a bit of extra muscle. Even for being just a CGI monster it feels like a complete waste of both the character and Rhys Ifans playing him.

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#2071: Mar 23rd 2022 at 4:02:04 PM

Having finally watched the movie last night, that's something I noticed too. The other villains have decent little arcs or motives to them, but Connors seemed to just go with the flow a lot of the time. I'm not sure if he wanted to go home or stay, and what he planned to do afterwards.

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#2072: Mar 23rd 2022 at 6:08:56 PM

How like a lizard

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#2073: Mar 23rd 2022 at 6:33:12 PM

In hindsight, Strange was kind of cruel keeping the Lizard in an enclosure without a heat lamp. How else is he going to regulate his body temperature?

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#2074: Mar 23rd 2022 at 6:38:15 PM

He's always going on about lizard-men being a superior species, surely he doesn't need something puny humans wouldn't?

Edited by FGHIK on Mar 23rd 2022 at 8:38:26 AM

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#2075: Mar 23rd 2022 at 6:42:35 PM

What about tail

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