The Trailing punctuation in trope custom titles
thread, as well as many, many discussions over the past ten and a half years, have made it obvious that we need a centralized discussion thread for page titles. I intend for this thread to be a place to both discuss titles and request they be changed.
(If you're looking to capitalize an existing wikiword, there's a different thread for that.)
Nice Job Breaking It, Hero, Nice Job Fixing It, Villain
I doubt the exclamation marks are necessary. I don't think it adds anything to an entry, and these lines are not always exclaimed. GLaDOS's original inflection was softly sneery.
Oversized Garden Ornament
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Agreed. In fact, that kind of sarcasm works much better when said in a rather deadpan, quiet way than when shouted out. Shouting tends to diminish the sarcasm.
Some of the pages on Anime use an ampersand when writing out "Anime & Manga", but this isn't done consistently.
the Retromancer
More specifically:
- Fantasy Anime & Manga
- Gaming and Sports Anime & Manga
- Military and Warfare Anime & Manga
- Mystery and Detective Anime & Manga
- Science Fiction Anime & Manga
I'm guessing the "&" ones don't need a custom display. The rest on the genre list are just potholes that probably should be changed by hand.
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ee: I'm confused which one to go with.
Edited by Amonimus on Nov 15th 2021 at 11:16:15 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Fighteer's post here says that custom titles shouldn't have ampersands in them unless it's in a work's official title.
Throw It In! - I think the ! is also unnecessary, and it also looks silly in-line. "The actors acted goofy for a minute, and the director decided to Throw It In! since she found it in character." But if it's usually shouted, then maybe it can be kept.
Lost in Space
Yeah, that one can be dropped.
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Friends forevermore
That was done with work pages in mind; changing "and" to "&" in other circumstances is okay.
Most obviously, /AnimeAndManga itself is custom titled this way!
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Oversized Garden Ornament
Are you sure you don't mean trope pages rather than work pages? For work pages, the page should have the same title as the work, so it's pretty clear cut.
It's much more of a problem if people use ampersands, equal signs and other abbreviations in trope names. And here the rule is that trope names should be written as standard prose, that is, no ampersands.
Anime & Manga is not a trope name, though, but a medium (actually, two media), and apparently it's OK there.
Edited by GnomeTitan on Nov 15th 2021 at 9:45:29 PM
Anime & Manga is fairly widespread as an example section label in TV Tropes, so it makes sense that it would also be used for example subpages. Of 10 random tropes with an anime and manga folder, 9 of 10note use an ampersand. The Media Categories page has used and since its creation in 2013, but the Media Categories FAQ has used ampersands since an editor added them in 2013.
Hi
I'm going to be honest - I have no idea why the "and" was and is replaced with an ampersand, and would personally very much like to stick with "and". Ampersands have their place, but I don't feel this is one.
the Retromancer
I personally wouldn't mind either way, 'and' may be preferable.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
~St Fan has requested a trailing exclamation for I'm Taking Him Home with Me!, a redirect to a rope that already had the trailing exclamation approved.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
the Retromancer
How does one even open a wikiword form on a page that redirects instantly?
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
From the "Related To" tab.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
the Retromancer
Ah, makes sense.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Oversized Garden Ornament
Regarding Anime & Manga: The policy is that the wiki should use standard prose unless there's a reason not to, and in this case I can't really see any compelling reason to use an ampersand instead of "and".
Edited by GnomeTitan on Nov 17th 2021 at 6:44:14 PM
The Exclamation point was already there in the redirect's custom title. What I request was for the "with" to be lowercase, as in the current trope title.
Amateur Veteran
Your Soul Is Mine! ends with an exclamation mark now. Do we want to keep it that way, or change it back?
Also, I'm pretty sure that "is" should be capitalized, since it's the sentence's main verb.
Angry babby
I could go either way on that, as the exclamation adds a threatening tone.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=106128&type=att#comment-106128
Funny.CaddicarusMainSeasons8To14 should be moved to Caddicarus Main Seasons 8 To 13, but it has over 100 edits in History. Do we do it manually or with powers?
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
~Tropers/Idiosyncratic submitted Power Equals Rarity to read as "Power = Rarity". This violates the Sandbox proposal of "In some cases, you may replace text with symbols (e.g., "Zoidberg And Friends" to "Zoidberg & Friends"), but this only applies when the symbol is intended to be read as the word and the title uses the symbol exclusively." because the title isn't supposed to be read exclusively as a formula. I've rejected the request on that basis. (crossposted)
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Does anyone else think that Punctuation Shaker's custom title is a bit excessive?
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Friends forevermore
Yeah, that's excessive.
Fan fiction is an odd case because we often disambiguate with the parent work rather than the year of publication, but I'm not sure what can reasonably be done about it.
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