The Trailing punctuation in trope custom titles
thread, as well as many, many discussions over the past ten and a half years, have made it obvious that we need a centralized discussion thread for page titles. I intend for this thread to be a place to both discuss titles and request they be changed.
(If you're looking to capitalize an existing wikiword, there's a different thread for that
. Custom titles are tied to capitalization, so if you need to both recapitalize and custom-title a wikiword, do the capitalization first to avoid a bug in that regard.)
Custom titles must not be used for the following scenarios:
- Replacing words with symbols or numbers, unless those are part of the official title of the work. A classic case is changing "and" to "&". Only do this if the original title of the work uses that symbol.
- One specific exception is when a trope title is expressed as a mathematical formula; for example: 2 + Torture = 5. However, Beauty Equals Goodness is not a valid case for substitution.
- Adding trailing punctuation to the end of a trope name. For work titles, it's acceptable if and only if the punctuation is part of the official title; for example: Airplane!. For tropes, they need to make sense in a sentence and we should not force the writer to use a pothole to remove punctuation. Common offenders include exclamation points and ellipses.
- Quoted punctuation is allowed. For example: Big "NO!" encloses its punctuation in quotation marks, so it doesn't disrupt a sentence.
- Adding words that are not present in the WikiWord title.
- Transliterating titles into other alphabets. This is primarily an English language wiki. We may note a translated work's original name in its original alphabet (e.g. Arabic or Japanese) within the work page text, but the title should be in the Latin alphabet.
(Mod edit 16 Jan 2025 to add guidance)
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 16th 2025 at 4:38:33 PM
The internal title doesn't capitalize the T, so 6teen?
Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.The official English translation of Claudine doesn't use the ellipses or exclamation point. As such, they should be removed from the custom title.
Edited by Oratel on Sep 4th 2022 at 3:31:39 PM
Felels like a Localization question, but I confirm it's spelled as Claudine in English release and just nobody knew that until now. Feel free to edit the custom title and making a note regarding it in the work description.
Edited by Amonimus on Sep 4th 2022 at 10:35:28 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupFilm.Amelie uses a custom title to display its original French name (Le Fabuleux Destin d'Amélie Poulain) instead of the name used for its official English release (Amélie). It seems that someone already tried to change it to Amélie, but it's currently pending approval.
Pinball cleanup threadRelic of the Future's custom titling isn't displaying right - the O and the T should be (it's displaying right on the page itself, but not when linked to)
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Sep 10th 2022 at 9:28:23 AM
That's the custom title bug
. No known fix at this time, unfortunately.
Checking the auto-disambiguator
shows that all the pages have the right capitalization, so there's nothing more to be done here for now.
I'd like to request removing the trailing punctuation from Attention Deficit... Ooh, Shiny!, *Bleep*-dammit!, Gosh Dang It to Heck!, and Questioning Title?.
ERROR: The current state of the world is unacceptable. Save anyway? YES/NOI'm okay with removing the first, but the other three seem appropriate to the title names. Especially Questioning Title?.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Don't need to shout [❗️]ing obscenities to make comedy out of [❗️]ing censoring them.
As for Questioning Title?... I agree this is more debatable, but the trope is about asking a question in the title, not simply using a particular punctuation mark (the description singles out Who Framed Roger Rabbit as an example that avoids it due to Hollywood superstition), and simply adding a question mark doesn't make the title self-demonstrating.
Edited by Noaqiyeum on Sep 16th 2022 at 3:53:17 PM
ERROR: The current state of the world is unacceptable. Save anyway? YES/NOExclamations, not obscenities. The words are exclamations, and it isn't comedic for them to be exclamations. Because they're exclamations, the appropriate way to punctuate them is with an exclamation mark. I don't understand why comedy is being mentioned. I'm not aware of any joke related to the punctuation here.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Because both *Bleep*-dammit! and Gosh Dang It to Heck! are tropes about the censorship of obscenity and profanity. The former is specifically comedic and the latter frequently so.
(And neither title is inherently exclamatory. They're both interjections, dammit, and whether they're set apart with commas rather than exclamation marks depends on the intended tone of the speaker. Since it's easier to add punctuation to a link than to remove it, it makes more sense for both to be trailing-mark-free by default.)
Finally, there's the general aesthetic point that related tropes are often listed together, separated by commas to make it clear where each wikiword starts and ends, and the enforced use of constructions like '!,' and '?,' is disruptive to the flow of thought.
Edited by Noaqiyeum on Sep 17th 2022 at 7:21:17 PM
ERROR: The current state of the world is unacceptable. Save anyway? YES/NOGod-Created Canon Foreigner's hyphen ("God-Created") is not showing up on the wiki.
Trust me, I'm an engineer!It's tied to the capitalization Main.Godcreated Canon Foreigner: God-Created Canon Foreigner
I have a question: Tropers.Ninja 857142 is custom-titled as "Ninja of Light". I know that custom titles generally shouldn't be radically different from the wikiword, but is that allowed for a troper page?
Avatar by Butterscotch Arts. Used under license.No, it is not, and it should be removed.
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Edited by crazysamaritan on Sep 10th 2022 at 1:27:18 PM
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.