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The Trailing punctuation in trope custom titles thread, as well as many, many discussions over the past ten and a half years, have made it obvious that we need a centralized discussion thread for page titles. I intend for this thread to be a place to both discuss titles and request they be changed.

(If you're looking to capitalize an existing wikiword, there's a different thread for that. Custom titles are tied to capitalization, so if you need to both recapitalize and custom-title a wikiword, do the capitalization first to avoid a bug in that regard.)


Custom titles must not be used for the following scenarios:

  • Replacing words with symbols or numbers, unless those are part of the official title of the work. A classic case is changing "and" to "&". Only do this if the original title of the work uses that symbol.
    • One specific exception is when a trope title is expressed as a mathematical formula; for example: 2 + Torture = 5. However, Beauty Equals Goodness is not a valid case for substitution.
  • Adding trailing punctuation to the end of a trope name. For work titles, it's acceptable if and only if the punctuation is part of the official title; for example: Airplane!. For tropes, they need to make sense in a sentence and we should not force the writer to use a pothole to remove punctuation. Common offenders include exclamation points and ellipses.
    • Quoted punctuation is allowed. For example: Big "NO!" encloses its punctuation in quotation marks, so it doesn't disrupt a sentence.
  • Adding words that are not present in the WikiWord title.
  • Transliterating titles into other alphabets. This is primarily an English language wiki. We may note a translated work's original name in its original alphabet (e.g. Arabic or Japanese) within the work page text, but the title should be in the Latin alphabet.

(Mod edit 16 Jan 2025 to add guidance)

Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 16th 2025 at 4:38:33 PM

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#426: Sep 4th 2022 at 9:28:29 AM

~Mechanicalman 450 — your attempt to change TheLordzOFlys to

Change display from to The Lordz o' Flys
has been denied. [down] You missed the "from". That's why it was denied.

Edited by crazysamaritan on Sep 10th 2022 at 1:27:18 PM

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bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#427: Sep 4th 2022 at 10:11:10 AM

[up] Wait, was "Change display to" part of the requested custom title?

2025: the year it all ends?
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#428: Sep 4th 2022 at 10:54:38 AM

Testing. 6teen is custom titled correctly but wicks don't show it.

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bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#429: Sep 4th 2022 at 11:03:28 AM

Could this be the capitalization bug again?

2025: the year it all ends?
wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#430: Sep 4th 2022 at 11:12:07 AM

The internal title doesn't capitalize the T, so 6teen?

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#431: Sep 4th 2022 at 11:14:48 AM

Oh I see, it was a single-word title (a wick spelled it as two)

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Mechanicalman450 Since: Mar, 2020
#432: Sep 4th 2022 at 11:52:40 AM

I meant Change display from The Lordz O Flys to The Lordz o' Flys. Sorry about the the grammatical errors.

Oratel What is this thing you call time management? from Between States of Fixation (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: I miss my wife, Tails
What is this thing you call time management?
#433: Sep 4th 2022 at 12:31:28 PM

The official English translation of Claudine doesn't use the ellipses or exclamation point. As such, they should be removed from the custom title.

Edited by Oratel on Sep 4th 2022 at 3:31:39 PM

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#434: Sep 4th 2022 at 12:34:56 PM

[up] Felels like a Localization question, but I confirm it's spelled as Claudine in English release and just nobody knew that until now. Feel free to edit the custom title and making a note regarding it in the work description.

Edited by Amonimus on Sep 4th 2022 at 10:35:28 PM

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
Captain of USS Bajor
#435: Sep 4th 2022 at 2:18:42 PM

X/1999's custom title X/1999 is not displaying on the wiki.

Trust me, I'm an engineer!
RallyBot2 (Elder Troper) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
BlueGuy (Ten years in the joint)
#437: Sep 4th 2022 at 7:28:01 PM

Film.Amelie uses a custom title to display its original French name (Le Fabuleux Destin d'Amélie Poulain) instead of the name used for its official English release (Amélie). It seems that someone already tried to change it to Amélie, but it's currently pending approval.

Pinball cleanup thread
Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#439: Sep 10th 2022 at 6:26:54 PM

Relic of the Future's custom titling isn't displaying right - the O and the T should be (it's displaying right on the page itself, but not when linked to)

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Sep 10th 2022 at 9:28:23 AM

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#440: Sep 10th 2022 at 6:31:00 PM

[up] That's the custom title bug. No known fix at this time, unfortunately.

Checking the auto-disambiguator shows that all the pages have the right capitalization, so there's nothing more to be done here for now.

Noaqiyeum we must dissent (it/they) from across the gulf of space (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#443: Sep 16th 2022 at 7:13:04 PM

I'm okay with removing the first, but the other three seem appropriate to the title names. Especially Questioning Title?.

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Noaqiyeum we must dissent (it/they) from across the gulf of space (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
we must dissent (it/they)
#444: Sep 16th 2022 at 7:50:09 PM

Don't need to shout [❗️]ing obscenities to make comedy out of [❗️]ing censoring them.

As for Questioning Title?... I agree this is more debatable, but the trope is about asking a question in the title, not simply using a particular punctuation mark (the description singles out Who Framed Roger Rabbit as an example that avoids it due to Hollywood superstition), and simply adding a question mark doesn't make the title self-demonstrating.

Edited by Noaqiyeum on Sep 16th 2022 at 3:53:17 PM

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#445: Sep 16th 2022 at 9:06:08 PM

Exclamations, not obscenities. The words are exclamations, and it isn't comedic for them to be exclamations. Because they're exclamations, the appropriate way to punctuate them is with an exclamation mark. I don't understand why comedy is being mentioned. I'm not aware of any joke related to the punctuation here.

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Noaqiyeum we must dissent (it/they) from across the gulf of space (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
we must dissent (it/they)
#446: Sep 17th 2022 at 12:07:26 AM

Because both *Bleep*-dammit! and Gosh Dang It to Heck! are tropes about the censorship of obscenity and profanity. The former is specifically comedic and the latter frequently so.

(And neither title is inherently exclamatory. They're both interjections, dammit, and whether they're set apart with commas rather than exclamation marks depends on the intended tone of the speaker. Since it's easier to add punctuation to a link than to remove it, it makes more sense for both to be trailing-mark-free by default.)

Finally, there's the general aesthetic point that related tropes are often listed together, separated by commas to make it clear where each wikiword starts and ends, and the enforced use of constructions like '!,' and '?,' is disruptive to the flow of thought.

Edited by Noaqiyeum on Sep 17th 2022 at 7:21:17 PM

ERROR: The current state of the world is unacceptable. Save anyway? YES/NO
StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
Captain of USS Bajor
#447: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:36:13 PM

God-Created Canon Foreigner's hyphen ("God-Created") is not showing up on the wiki.

Trust me, I'm an engineer!
KUnlimited Since: Sep, 2020
#449: Sep 27th 2022 at 11:18:10 AM

I have a question: Tropers.Ninja 857142 is custom-titled as "Ninja of Light". I know that custom titles generally shouldn't be radically different from the wikiword, but is that allowed for a troper page?

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