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Since we have a thread discussing the video game industry, I thought it would be appropriate to have a thread discussing the practices and going ons of the film and tv industries. Especially in light of recent news surrounding the sets of Batwoman and Rust.

This will not be about films and tv shows but rather about the practices and behind-the-scenes news affecting the industries.

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#3351: Feb 12th 2025 at 1:12:33 PM

The thing I find annoying about the discourse surrounding of Emilia Perez is the way the internet singles out the Oscars as the oblivious award entity when it's not the only one to give the movie awards, it hasn't even given out any awards yet. Cannes deserves grief too.

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#3352: Feb 12th 2025 at 2:17:37 PM

I don't think the Cannes film festival can be compared to a ceremony like the Academy Awards, who had almost one year to research things.

The Cannes festival (that Emilia Perez didn't exactly win, as Anora, All we imagine as light and arguably Grand Tour won more prestigious awards there) determines its awards based on the decisions of a jury of nine people who have to watch a large number of films over two weeks. They don't have much time to think of the politics of a film, and I don't think any of them was transgender (one of them was apparently a Spaniard named Juan Antonio Bayona).

The ceremonies that came after Cannes, on the other hand, had plenty of time to think and discuss.

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#3353: Feb 14th 2025 at 12:13:30 PM

Twitter video of Maya Hawke talking about how INSTAGRAM followers are now considered in casting films and getting funding for films.

https://x.com/adamhlavac/status/1890425993719898520?s=46&t=7YT7yMPCw2VMMwQUxWj5_A

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#3354: Feb 14th 2025 at 12:43:40 PM

I remember when I read about how movies were being directed by ad directors! That was years ago. Movie companies were hiring them because they were good at capturing a viewer's attention and holding it.

Now people are being chosen based on their fame in the new medium of Instagram. Kinda like how YouTubers sometimes end up in movies.

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#3355: Feb 14th 2025 at 2:14:36 PM

It's kind of funny. I remember when I went to film school, and one of the things they kept telling us was "professionals don't care about your Youtube channel". grin

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#3356: Feb 14th 2025 at 5:09:26 PM

They still don't,unless you're a Big Name with all that sweet ad revenue

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diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#3357: Feb 14th 2025 at 7:09:12 PM

...Well yeah.

Just like a casting director doesn't care about that you've been a background extra in films before.

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#3358: Feb 14th 2025 at 8:20:40 PM

[up][up]Even that doesn't help. Markiplier is one of the biggest You Tube stars out there and filmed a movie and a mini-series but his agent has said the second he mentions where Markiplier got his fame from they immediately rejected picking up his fully completed film. Apple set a whole lot of arbitrary demands for Markiplier's mini-series just to get a very limited release in the U.S despite his fanbase pushing it to the top ten of watched shows.

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#3359: Feb 15th 2025 at 3:15:15 AM

I think it's all pretty complicated and even the industry professionals don't understand all of it (although I'm sure some of them would say they do, executives especially). You have to consider how popular someone is, and social media numbers are one indicator of that, but far from a perfect one - also have to think about how active/committed their fanbase is, what the demographic is (and how much spending power they have), etc. Social media advertising can be very effective, but it isn't always for many, many reasons. Basing funding on the social media followings of the stars definitely feels stupid to me though.

I also think in some cases you have to think about whether the work has any appeal to people who aren't fans of the person in question, although that's mostly relevant when they're the star as opposed to a smaller role. I think that's why a lot of Youtuber (or Tiktok-er or whatever) movies do pretty poorly.

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#3360: Feb 15th 2025 at 5:36:24 AM

[up][up]SungWon Cho (ProZD) has made a video about that:

If you don't know, Cho is a popular YouTuber who went on to become a voice actor. He's pretty prolific and well regarded, appearing in things like Yakuza: Like a Dragon, Borderlands 3 and God of War RagnarΓΆk (which he also contributed writing to). He discusses how, while stunt casting certainly occurs, it can also result in people automatically assuming that internet celebrities only got these sort of roles because of their fame and not their talent. It certainly occurs, Hunt Down the Freeman was infamous for it (and most the voice actors in that game would agree), but it can also result in people going too far the other way. Obiously, this video looks at video games, but I think it applies to film and TV as well.

So internet fame does help get you jobs, but because of that, it can also paradoxically result in internet fame reducing jobs you can get as some people want to avoid accusations of Stunt Casting.

Edited by king15 on Feb 15th 2025 at 2:57:24 PM

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#3361: Feb 15th 2025 at 11:46:03 AM

I did attend a voice acting seminar and yeah, people get picked up because of tiktok. Hell, a dude from tiktok became a stuntman for Netflix One Piece.

Its not like its because theyre ecelebs theyre picked. They know how to voice act and their social media is their demo reel

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#3362: Feb 15th 2025 at 3:00:15 PM

[up][up]That's not quite the same thing as Markiplier's situation. Markiplier's situation is that because he was a Youtuber no film studio wanted to distribute his adaptation of Iron Lung - which is already completed and filmed mind you. His agent has spoken on record about how the moment he mentioned Mark was a Youtuber every studio he talked to immediately lost all interest in anything more he had to say. Your post about SungWon Cho is more about how viewers/consumers consider stunt casting rather than executives being elitist and dismissive of new media despite a proven track record.

This isn't just a matter of executives being dismissive, LittleKuriboh has revealed he's sworn off professional voice acting because of how voice directors and other voice actors looked down on his abridging work and felt he didn't belong in the industry. There are also interviews of directors and some actors looking down on comic book movies as not being real acting, and historically Sci-Fi was looked at dismissively and a step down from serious acting.

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#3363: Feb 15th 2025 at 4:01:05 PM

Whilst that is part of it, Cho does bring up that he has lost jobs or almost missed out on jobs due to being a YouTuber. The issue is that such Stunt Casting does occur, which means that audiences might automatically think that any YouTuber who also happens to act is Stunt Casting, which makes executives uneasy about casting YouTubers in roles regardless of whether they have the talent or not. I agree that it might not necessarily be elitism, though I think that might contribute.

Edited by king15 on Feb 15th 2025 at 12:01:27 PM

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#3364: Feb 15th 2025 at 4:32:21 PM

I think all the absolute garbage Youtuber movies that come out tainted the idea of a film being headed by youtubers, which it looked like in Markiplier's agent saying was inevitable to bring up. Different from "person who posted horror shorts on youtube now gets a theatrical film".

The last push I remember for a Youtuber to the mainstream (not Fred, Shane Dawson, or Smosh) outside the Paul brothers was the lady who eventually became known as "apologizing for grooming with a ukulele" with a bunch of specials on whatever streaming site that wanted content from her

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#3365: Feb 15th 2025 at 5:43:20 PM

It’s funny hearing this, because I’ve become of the opinion that celebrities shouldn’t be on social media because of how easily they can get canceled.

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#3366: Feb 15th 2025 at 5:59:13 PM

[up]I’m convinced that being β€œcancelled” doesn’t mean anything.

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#3367: Feb 15th 2025 at 6:08:01 PM

Given all the scandals of celebrities being dumb at best and utterly terrible at worst, hard to see any difference between them and youtubers, really. Just the paycheck, at most.

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#3368: Feb 15th 2025 at 6:18:12 PM

I think to some extent cancelling does work since I think T.J. Miller got cancelled and I haven't seen hide nor hare of him since Ready Player One. But Ellen DeGeneres tried to make a comeback.

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#3369: Feb 15th 2025 at 7:12:18 PM

That Markiplier story is sad. What, Universal isn't too good for a Five Nights at Freddy's movie, but they think they are too good for one of the guys who helped put Five Nights at Freddy's on the map? (I'm being a little facetious here, I get that they probably don't know much about the history of how that series came up, just that its a famous IP, so dollar signs. Still, sad)

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#3370: Feb 15th 2025 at 8:52:35 PM

[up][up]He called in a bomb threat on a train because a woman annoyed him and was accused of rape, on top of pissing off everyone of his coworkers. That's not getting cancelled, that's being a toxic person and nobody wanting to work with you anymore.

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#3371: Feb 15th 2025 at 9:01:11 PM

[up][up]Mark was actually supposed to be the opening kill of the FNAF movie but couldn't make it due to scheduling conflicts with said Iron Lung film.

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#3372: Feb 16th 2025 at 8:50:53 AM

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I haven't heard of any YouTubers who didn't get any jobs because they are YouTubers. A lot of YouTubers I follow have jobs outside of You Tube and are still doing their regular jobs, while being on You Tube at the same time. You Tube doesn't tend to pay that much money to most Youtubers.

Edited by Rabbitearsblog on Feb 16th 2025 at 8:51:21 AM

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#3373: Feb 16th 2025 at 9:44:31 AM

[up] there is a vast difference between "getting a job" and "getting a job in Hollywood specially"

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#3374: Feb 16th 2025 at 10:02:07 AM

Yeah, I don't mean that YouTubers can't get 'normal' jobs, most do when they're starting off. Granted, I imagine if a YouTuber becomes notorious enough, they might struggle, but for the most part, I'm sure they'd be fine. It's jobs involved in film, TV, and video games where, paradoxically, they might be cast just because of their internet fame, or that internet fame might be the one thing keeping them from being cast.

[down]It's fine, mate.

Edited by king15 on Feb 16th 2025 at 6:39:50 PM

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#3375: Feb 16th 2025 at 10:33:53 AM

Oh, I see. I thought you were talking about Youtubers in general not getting jobs because they are Youtubers, not that certain Youtubers don't get jobs in Hollywood because of their reputation as a Youtuber. Sorry about that! [lol]

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