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A new Disney show is being made called Primos. It's created by Big City Greens director Natasha Kline. The show centers on Tater, an eccentric 10-year-old girl with big dreams and, unbeknownst to her, a certain “it factor” that makes her exceptional. When her 12 cousins (“primos” in Spanish) move in for the summer, they help her discover just what it is. Tater’s aspirations and larger-than-life imagination are seen via entries in her super-secret diary, which turn her deepest thoughts into grandiose animation sequences.
Edited by MacronNotes on Aug 4th 2023 at 8:05:08 AM
I believe it's spelled "Hispanosphere", but it's apparently common enough a term to have a decently sized wiki article
defining and detailing it.
its two words crammed togeather,it should be Hispano sphere!
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverI'm not Mexican but I am Spanish and have been in contact with Mexican people all my life. Obviously that doesn't give me a voice in the matter but I think I can safely say it's not that big of a deal. I've seen people claiming it's the "most racist show ever" but I honestly think it's just clumsy and poorly-handed. My mexican friends agree that the show looks more like something that would've came during the 90s, with all those stereotypes and such. That being said, they were annoyed by two things: 1) The name of the town which they compared to it being called Quesadilla City and 2) The names of the characters, which are so bland and generic it would be like a US show starring four men called Ben Jones, Tom O'Hara, Paul Evans and Mark Williams.
Frategretto calls me, and tells me nero is an angler in the lake of darknessMy take is there is some good complain and another than are nonsense as such. But another complains are because diferent between mainland and diaspora latinos, to a diaspora a chararter having bad spanish or a sort of spanglish is sort of okey and relatable, for us is pretty much gratious spanish similar to having the chararter said "SANTI FRIJOLES!".
For me is one of those "people are complain not for the reason they think they are complaing"
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Eh, guess I better drop my thoughts in on this thing. I'm not gonna say much about the stereotypes controversy because.. I'm not Hispanic and don't really have a horse to run in this race lmao.
The show as a whole just looks a bit bland. I think a huge chunk of the problem with shows like these is that having a large cast of characters means it'll always take longer for some to get more development than others and that'll drag the show down. I heard the pilot got leaked, but I haven't seen it outside of the intro
(which honestly seemed a bit funnier?) Some of the characters look a bit neat IG; Gorgita and Little Ben stand out amongst the crowd. I'm just not seeing anything that's really hooking me though, compared to Kiff and Hailey's On It! which had me intrigued almost right off the bat.
I forget the name of Tater's voice actress but she seemed 'really condescending and smug in that video. I feel like had she not made it, the controversy would've blown over by now. The damage might already be done though. If the show doesn't grab people's attention and have them say "wow, this is actually pretty good after all!" then.. Yeah, I don't think it'll last long.
It does seem like it's going to be a Disney version of Loud House or the Casagrandes, though with some of the grammatically incorrect Spanish have an underlying tint of 100% Molly Mc Gee from that episode of Ghost and Molly Mc Gee. A view point character with an incredibly large supporting familial cast, which usually means they show up all the time, since they're under the same roof.
Though unless this show blows up, that could be to this shows detriment, since the supporting cast will have shallow characterization for a long time because I would expect the first couple of seasons to basically build tone and setting, but because they're going to be showing up constantly we will only be knowing them by their very shallow character traits for a decent amount of time. And if they're not amusing without development, I can see any number of the characters get grating.
This show does seem to be going for a more grounded approach (again like Loud House and Casagrandes). No wild otherworldly plots like Hailey's On It or Phineas and Ferb, the physics are more grounded than say Craig of the Creek or Ed, Edd n Eddy. That kind of show builds itself based on character interaction and whether that's amusing more than anything. Guess we'll see how it goes.
I said before that I think the biggest sin of this show is looking bland. Could the show actually be really espectacular and actually really enternaining? Sure. But I wouldn't bet on it. Nothing on that intro gives me that impression.
The whole first impression also meant that they had an uphill battle, and the subsequent responses only raises the bar. It would need to really fantastic to overshadow the original controversy. Reminds a little of Coco. That due to the baggage associated with it (an US person telling a story about Mexicans. The fiasco of trademarking "Day of the Death"), anything lower than excellent would have been a failure. Somehow Coco managed it, and so it was beloved, specially by the demographic they wanted to represent.
My opinion on why I don't think Primos would manage to do it too is that there is nothing that could stand out. The art style is not bad, but is certainly not breathtaking. Just average. The premise seem too derivative. The "I want to be special" is not the most original plot, and the whole following the leader with the Loud House.
And the characters not only have a lot of stereotypes, but archetypes. Very basic archetypes like The Bully, the annoying younger "sibling", the baby, the twins (the three girls in pink dresses. I know this is speculation becuase they are obviously not twins, but I would guess that how they would use them). And some seem even too similar to the Loud House. The cool rocker "sister", the uncrupulous scientist, very little originality. I'm not saying it would be impossible to make them all interesting, but you would need some really good writing.
And as mentioned, this could be the biggest hurdle, it would be really hard to develop any of them properly besides the main character. In Loud House, even with the different personalities, most of the time they were just "his sisters", as in, alwasy together, and mostly an obstacle for him to overcome. Very little individual interaction. It took a while for them to start developing them better. Now you have this show. They are twelve cousins, they are already more than all the Loud siblings. Then you add the main character and her siblings. And then her parents. And I assume they would give her a friend to round her more.
This turned out to be longer than I expected, sorry. So yeah, just my two cents.
Edited by ElBuenCuate on Jun 25th 2023 at 11:16:46 AM
Well, it is set during the summer, so it would have been time-limited anyway. 104 days of summer vacation and all that.
Ok, I've seen many people say how the show is being overhated and how the latinos are overreacting. Well, as a Mexican person myself who lives by the Border, I want to say that yeah, the show wasn't that bad, but it still doesn't really appeal to me. First, with the "Terremoto Heights" sign, most of Latin America has suffered many earthquakes, an believe me, they are considered tragedies. So, you may thnk it's not a huge deal with you having Tornado Alley, but how would you feel if somebody named a harbor "Hurricane Katrina Bay"? Would you brush it off?
Second, the names don't even sound the most remotely latino, and mot of them feel like they were made-up, and please don't get me started on the "Cuquita" bit, and some of them are cliche and stereotypical.
Third, the artstyle imo (and many others) isn't appealing in the least bit, in fact, it looks ugly.
At least I thank them for including more varied skin colors.
Literally how.
Some of the characters aren't even Latino, the family is explicitly a *mixed* family. Beyond that, the characters that *are* obviously Latino...I don't see the issue?
I really hate this argument. An actual Latin American woman makes something and it's derided by other Latin Americans as "cliche and stereotypical". But then, I don't see that descriptor used against someone like, say, Jorge Gutierrez, who openly and proudly uses Mexican stereotypes and pulls it off with gusto.
It comes off more that the show just looks bland and people point to parts of it as "cliche and stereotypical" when it's just...part of the same blandness.
The Terremoto Heights name is an LA joke. The show takes place in Los Angeles, where everyone cracks earthquake jokes when they happen. There’s even a landscape business here called Terremoto. Angelenos flip out more when it rains than when there’s earthquakes.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jun 29th 2023 at 5:43:40 AM
It's honestly no different than how here in Florida, we joke about how we don't give a shit about hurricanes until Waffle House closes. And we've lived through tragic storms. Our area got absolutely fucked by Hurricane Michael. That hasn't stopped people in my neighborhood from making the same jokes.
So, frankly, I find the complaint to be kind of stupid and ignoring localized culture quite a bit. Los Angeles is, evidently, full of people who don't really give a shit about earthquakes despite suffering from them frequently.
I'm Brazilian, so there really isn't much I can say about the whole controversy, but in my opinion, there are some really annoying elements that have been a bit overblown. I dislike the yellow tint, how the family follows the stereotype of Latin American houses being full of random extended family members (there certainly are grandparents living with their families, but I very rarely see uncles, nieces and cousins in the same building, only in the same complex or neighbourhood at most), the name of the city, and the such, but I do think the show isn't nearly as bad as some implied. At the end of the day it's looks a bit clumsy and maybe generic at worst, and it even avoids stereotypes such as Latino Is Brown. It seems this whole problem comes from an on-going clash between the diaspora and mainland Latin Americans, but I can't say much about it, since most of the Latin America diaspora from the US comes from Mexico (many of which historically as the west coast used to be part of the empire), Puerto Rico or Central America, all of which Brazil has much less connection with than, let's say, Portugal, Uruguay, Paraguay or Argentina.
Edited by good-morning on Jun 29th 2023 at 11:25:48 AM
oh hey how are you doing?Details like making the parents absolute cheapskates, the kids wearing flip-flops and torn clothing, the honestly ugly designs (in some cases it even seems mean-spirited, that poor girl with the unibrow...), "Earthquake Heights", and so on. If this is the author's "truth", it's almost framed like a revenge. "My parents were cheap, my cousins were unruly and ugly and the house was a pigsty". I don't feel this is coming from a place of love, but from one of deep-rooted and poisonous resentment. Only God knows how many changes had to be made by editors to not make the cousins hate sinks.
I know well that controversybait is today's ultimate marketing strategy (and one Disney is particularly familiar with), but the response from the VA and the creator are downright unprofessional. Both have shown to be incredibly unfit for a world audience (because Disney is not going to market this show only to residents in view of the famous Hollywood landmark, it's going to market it to the whole world, because it's Disney and that's what they do).
Also I feel the VA's video response was arrogant (look at her laugh!) and blaming the Spaniards is just low, like if they didn't get enough hate already (NO ONE alive has talked to a conquistador). All that for being called out on elementary level grammar. Which tells me there wasn't a single Spanish-speaker on the team, so it's just a bunch of affluent gringos telling the world how to feel because they are Disney employees therefore better than you. Dora the Explorer would cry.

In a weird not-so ironic twist, in a lot of cases (not everyone, there's fair criticism), much of the backlash, thought as coming from "Gringo ignorance" was rooted on ignorance about the US.