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Ambiguous Name (alt names crowner 15 Oct 2021): It Is Pronounced Tro PAY

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Tabs from now on
Oct 12th 2021 at 11:42:54 AM

I didn't phrase that very well, but I'll save my concerns for wick cleaning.

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Oct 13th 2021 at 2:06:27 AM

One argument for renaming is that it is easy to misunderstand the trope name as being about the pronunciation of Saint-Tropez, France (which is mentioned in the trope description) rather than a fancy (mis-) pronunciation of "trope". I fell into exactly that trap myself.

I guess this is the cause of much of the misuse: if you think the trope name refers to someone having trouble pronouncing a foreign name, then you'll of course write trope examples about that.

So, in short, I think the trope should be renamed because the current name encourages misuse.

Oct 14th 2021 at 8:25:13 PM

All options are pretty popular and none are exclusive?

Rename, In-Universe-ify, and split off the YMMV?

So, what's the new name(s)?

"Split off examples about pronunciation trouble into a new trope."

Huh.

Edited by Malady on Oct 14th 2021 at 8:25:33 AM

Help with possible disambig and redirect issues!
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Oct 14th 2021 at 8:28:28 PM

There's no YMMV option. Or at least, I didn't think there was when I voted for the split... I wouldn't have voted for it if it was explicitly subjective.

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Oct 15th 2021 at 9:30:19 AM

[up] No, I wasn't intending on the split-off trope to be subjective.

If there are not enough examples for characters having trouble pronouncing a word, we can yard it.


That aside, we're doing all three options. Get the alt names crowner ready.

Edited by Berrenta on Oct 15th 2021 at 11:31:19 AM

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Oct 15th 2021 at 11:03:12 AM

[up] I think only Pretentious Pronunciation, Insistent Pretentious Pronunciation, Nonstandard Fancy Pronunciation, Insistent Pronunciation, and Preferred Pretentious Pronunciation got support in the thread so we should narrow the options to those. Plus, the last two names in your reply are literally the same regardless of the positioning of the words.

GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Oct 15th 2021 at 11:47:57 AM

I prefer Pretentious Preferred Pronunciation (since it's a preferred pronunciation that is pretentious) over Preferred Pretentious Pronunciation over the suggestions I gave. I think I was tired when I gave those suggestions, so I couldn't decide on the word order.

Edit: Here's an Alt Titles crowner.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 15th 2021 at 1:53:33 PM

Thud!!
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Oct 15th 2021 at 4:45:29 PM

I added Faux Fancy Pronunciation, since it seems to make more grammatical sense than Fancy Faux Pronunciation (which is already on the crowner).

GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Oct 15th 2021 at 8:49:10 PM

[up][up]I could have sworn I thought to add Faux Fancy Pronunciation originally (I mainly copied the crowner options from Tabs's post), but I guess it slipped through the cracks because I was busy looking back and forth between the crowner and the list of existing name suggestions (I was tired when I made the crowner due to my sleep schedule being messed up).

Edit: I just advertised the crowner on ATT.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 15th 2021 at 10:53:14 AM

Thud!!
Berrenta MOD Winter is coming... from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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Oct 18th 2021 at 4:18:46 PM

Pretentious Pronunciation it is. Calling.

Other options with a 2:1 or better ratio will be redirects.

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Berrenta Winter is coming... from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Winter is coming...
Oct 18th 2021 at 4:21:14 PM

(disables mod mode)

While I prep for moving the page, we should pool together the examples of pronunciation trouble so we can TLP or yard it. Which method do we prefer?

As for sandboxes, I'll start one for the splitoff here. We'll also need to deal with on-page examples.

Edited by Berrenta on Oct 18th 2021 at 6:34:54 AM

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Tabs from now on
Oct 18th 2021 at 4:34:39 PM

Should only examples of someone getting corrected (or the mistake getting pointed out in-story) be allowed for the "pronunciation trouble" trope?

Berrenta Winter is coming... from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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Oct 18th 2021 at 4:36:00 PM

[up] Being corrected counts if the correction isn't done poshly.

There's one video example, but it might fit the splitoff better.

Edited by Berrenta on Oct 18th 2021 at 6:50:46 AM

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GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Oct 19th 2021 at 2:26:56 AM

I fixed the redirects to point to the new location. Indexing still needs to be migrated.

Edit: I changed the indexing on the index pages that have "Tropes" in their names (none of them had "index" in their names). I also updated the Overdosed Tropes entry, but I did so as a stopgap because I'd imagine the wick count will go down a decent amount after we clean up the bad wicks (similarly to what happened with Ear Worm after it was made IUEO).

Edit: Added to Renamed Tropes, the Renamed Tropes thread, and JustForFun.Trope Epitaph Renamed Tropes.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 19th 2021 at 5:22:50 AM

Thud!!
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Oct 19th 2021 at 11:37:31 AM

I moved the subpages, but I didn't do any cleanup yet (though I have no doubt that they need it). Putting aside whether we can even have PretentiousPronunciation.Real Life with the IUEO restriction, I skimmed some of the page and saw misuse right away, so I'm not entirely sure whether we'd keep the page even if it is compatible with IUEO.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 19th 2021 at 1:38:17 PM

Thud!!
Tabs from now on
Oct 19th 2021 at 1:41:49 PM

[up] A glance up and down the whole page suggests it's entirely meta/natter. Cutworthy. Definitely not enough for a subpage and I doubt it will be any time soon.

Tabs from now on
Oct 25th 2021 at 9:40:54 AM

Bumping. Is there anything worth keeping on PretentiousPronunciation.Real Life? As [up][up] said, it's not really compatible with In-Universe Examples Only.

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Oct 25th 2021 at 9:46:46 AM

Generally the only acceptable RL examples for an IUEO trope would be like, if someone did it in a non-fiction work (eg. an autobiography or a stand-up comedy set). Nothing sticks out to me (although I may have missed something) so it can go.

GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Oct 25th 2021 at 5:31:51 PM

I don't have a problem with cutting the Real Life subpage if it's just meta stuff instead of autobiographical or stand-up comedy stuff.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 25th 2021 at 7:32:06 AM

Thud!!
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Oct 25th 2021 at 7:30:54 PM

stand-up comedy stuff.
Several examples do fit this, so please copy those examples over (the celebrity roast example comes to mind).

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Tabs from now on
Oct 25th 2021 at 10:11:49 PM

[up] Moved that one. It's better on Pronouncing My Name for You. I don't see anything else after a pass. There's a John Cleese thing, but it's just a deliberate mispronunciation. The Conan one seems accidental.

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12th Oct '21 9:40:37 AM

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