Hmmm, I do agree not spiting the trope into two tropes one that is In-universe and one that is YMMV. But however we not sure if the mods will approve. Also what will happens if my page got Deadlock clocked? Is that mean we won't solve our problem? Can we have more time to think what we do with the problem?
Edited by Bubblepig on Aug 28th 2021 at 8:41:48 AM
"CHICKEN JOCKEY!"I dunno, we already have a collection of people's idle speculation on stuff being sexual at Accidental Innuendo [and countless other tropes where it's shoehorned in], how would this new YMMV definition be separated from that?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanInnuendo is speech / words? This is mainly just sound and possibly sight?
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576Hmm... I guess this is Assumed
Right Through the Wall / The Immodest Orgasm...
Depending if we can expand Right Through the Wall into just plain Noisy Sex, eclipsing the redirect, Noisy Sex Next Door... Or if it's already flexible enough...
Assumed Noisy Sex... I guess is an okay title. Not as Witty as the current, but a hell of a lot more Clear...
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576If it's an audience reaction and there's no reasonable indication that it's intentional, then there's little to no difference from Accidental Innuendo. There may or may not be some small distinctions, but there's not really a meaningful difference.
That said, as often as not, the examples on the wick check are completely intentional and leave zero doubt regarding that fact, to the point that some of them are literally "character enjoys sexual intercourse (be it consensual or not)".
I agree that YMMV would likely be covered by Accidental Innuendo. Voting for Assumed Noisy Sex for this in-universe trope, clear and concise.
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)Still sounds like something that can be misconstrued as YMMV. "Assumed" implies it's in-universe, at least I think it does.
Edited by Piterpicher on Aug 29th 2021 at 6:59:59 PM
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)Mistaken For Sex would snowclone well...
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576Maybe, but if the main problem is that it's used as an audience reaction, I still feel like we need a name that makes the fact it's interpreted as sex in-universe clear. those suggested names feel rather generic in any case.
Edited by Piterpicher on Aug 29th 2021 at 7:04:37 PM
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)Do we have any examples of such names that are clear about In-Universe-ness?
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576In-Universe Factoid Failure, but that's a bit on the nose... "No. Just… No" Reaction, "Not So Different" Remark, or Mistaken for Profound likely count.
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)
- Interesting... Seems a bit too direct to be a mistake...
Rethinking... Loud Sex Mistake or Mistaken For Loud Sex... I think that cuts out YMMV because the fourth-wall audience really knows what's going on, so that's more Accidental Innuendo, and not a Mistake, but their own interpretation of the sounds
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576I have an idea
, how about we called the In-Universe version called Mistaken For Loud Sex while we called the YMMV version Unintentionally Orgasm or moved the YMMV examples to Accidental Innuendo ?
Edited by Bubblepig on Aug 29th 2021 at 11:53:54 AM
"CHICKEN JOCKEY!"
- Yes, Mistaken For Loud Sex as In-Universe, with a note that says to move all YMMV into Accidental!
Or not Accidental Innuendo since it's less Innuendo and more full on sex? Audience Imagined Sex? Ehh...
Edited by Malady on Aug 29th 2021 at 12:19:24 PM
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576I don't see a point in making a YMVV trope for the misused examples. They're literally "X makes noises that sound like they're having a sexy time to the audience". Which Accidental Innuendo covers.
Rename this to Mistaken For Loud Sex.
Is this a subtrope of Not What It Looks Like? Neither's description crosswicks, which is really strange.
- I would say it is... Yes...
Yeah, hard
on making a YMMV version. Again, it's literally covered by Accidental Innuendo and I'd really rather not have another sexual YMMV trope with a meaning that just boils down to "someone somewhere thinks this maybe".
Yeah, I'm also a hard "no" on making a new YMMV trope about "things that sound like coitus." We don't really need yet another excuse to give Drooly Mc Pervert and friends yet another excuse describe this stuff at length.
A large part of this misuse problem is that it's being used to pothole anything and everything that someone thought sounded or looked vaguely sexual, much of which was completely intentional. That being the case, a considerable amount of the misuse doesn't even fall under Accidental Innuendo. (One such pothole was literally "this character was raped and enjoyed it".
Those cases aren't just a trope/YMMV issue, they're several degrees removed from what the trope is even about. Just making a YMMV equivalent isn't going to fix that problem, and may well make it worse.
Ok, so let's focus how we deal with In-universe example. Also I'm scared that my page will be locked tomorrow without solutions.
"CHICKEN JOCKEY!"
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Looks Like She Is Enjoying It is misused. What should be done with it?

In this particular case, the easiest thing to do would just take the path of least resistance and make the whole thing YMMV, with or without a new name. It's already 70% of the way there.
I don't think it's the best solution, because it wouldn't really do much to curb the more flagrant misuse. That would require more than a clever name change.
A "best" solution may not exist, given the way some people on this site treat anything remotely sexual.
Edited by HeavyMetalHermitCrab on Aug 28th 2021 at 7:58:29 AM