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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#376: Oct 1st 2021 at 2:17:48 AM

[up] It means adding it to Trope Idea Salvage Yard instead of kicking it directly to TLP.

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GoldenCityBird from the UK Since: Oct, 2018
#377: Oct 4th 2021 at 2:45:38 AM

It's been 3 days since hooking, and there's a clear consensus. Should we call the crowner?

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MikeMikeMikeMikeMike Since: Mar, 2019 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#379: Oct 4th 2021 at 5:11:01 AM

Let's wait a bit more. We aren't in a hurry, and this trope hasn't really profited from unduly quick actions.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#380: Oct 4th 2021 at 11:15:21 AM

Yeah, for a trope like FMB we'll want a lot of consensus.

Should we ATT plug this?

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GoldenCityBird from the UK Since: Oct, 2018
#381: Oct 4th 2021 at 11:18:29 AM

I'd say no. It's got plenty of votes as it is, most of which are presumably from people who have kept up to speed. And, after the massive boom of vote-and-runners for the first one, I doubt that it will add anything productive at all.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#382: Oct 4th 2021 at 11:20:56 AM

Normally I'd agree. But Five-Man Band is a massive trope with a lot of history. More attention will not only let us move forward confidently, but will prevent people from whining later.

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#383: Oct 4th 2021 at 11:43:04 AM

[tup] to an ATT plug.

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ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#385: Oct 4th 2021 at 9:34:11 PM

To keep it fair, since we're advertising the thread, I'll call the crowner Friday night.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#386: Oct 5th 2021 at 1:42:03 AM

Late, but I posted the advertisement.

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#387: Oct 5th 2021 at 10:32:45 AM

I voted in both crowners, (though I didn't have anything to add to the discussion that wasn't already said), just wanted to say I'm so pleased this is finally moving away from the strict gender roles I've thought it should for years. Great thread

TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
#388: Oct 5th 2021 at 1:40:15 PM

Just to clarify, if the trope is redefined, will it no longer require the five roles to all be filled?

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#389: Oct 5th 2021 at 2:24:38 PM

Well, pretty much all of our options here involves dropping the strict role format entirely, so... yes or no depending on what you mean. The teams will still need to have five members.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 5th 2021 at 5:25:08 AM

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#390: Oct 5th 2021 at 2:59:30 PM

[up][up] depending on what the Trope in Aggregate description looks like (and there are two proposals linked in the poll) some roles might stay, but most will go. The only absolute is it needs to be a 5 person team, not 4, not 6. But 5.

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GoldenCityBird from the UK Since: Oct, 2018
#392: Oct 8th 2021 at 11:35:00 AM

The options definitely appear to have settled by now, and it's been 3 days since the ATT. Call?

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#393: Oct 9th 2021 at 7:23:49 AM

Calling in favor of making 5MB Tropes in Aggregate.

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#394: Oct 9th 2021 at 7:27:06 AM

Now that it's added to that index, what definition are we using?

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#395: Oct 9th 2021 at 10:16:07 AM

Definition 1 is definitely a lot more fleshed out and was along the lines of what I was thinking when I pitched it. I vote it.

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#396: Oct 9th 2021 at 12:43:49 PM

Proposal 1 is good. Only thing I'd change is formatting for the page and the reference to the rock band in describing the Five Man Band Classic. I recognize that was what the original trope was based on, but as we've discussed it never seemed to fit. We can keep "band" without specifying or relating to music bands, since band is also a way to call a group of people (think "Band of Hawk" from Berserk)

GoldenCityBird from the UK Since: Oct, 2018
#397: Oct 10th 2021 at 8:35:21 AM

Adding in my vote for Prop. 1 for reasons stated above.

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MikeMikeMikeMikeMike Since: Mar, 2019 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#398: Oct 10th 2021 at 10:22:49 AM

[up][up] I agree, proposal 1 is by far the most inclusive yet defined one.

amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#399: Oct 12th 2021 at 5:23:13 PM

I have a question about this trope now that it's being changed officially. Mainly, does this impact Sixth Ranger? I know groups of any size can technically acquire a 6th ranger, but given the trope codifier is the power rangers and that is one of the more core examples of the 5 man band, it has a pretty strong connection to this trope.

Given that we've broaden the definition of 5 man band to include versions with no defined roles, should the 6th ranger apply? Asking because a part of me worries it can be used as a Loophole Abuse to shoehorn 6 man teams into 5 man band, causing the trope in aggregate to lose its only clearly defined aspect.

ETA: to illustrate my concern a bit clearer, I think a team that starts off with 5 people and way later gets a 6th ranger still fits. But the Inception example under the unsorted folder of Five Man Band Sorting makes me wonder since Saito is there from the outset as the funder for the operation. Thoughts?

Edited by amathieu13 on Oct 12th 2021 at 8:29:09 AM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#400: Oct 12th 2021 at 5:27:05 PM

Sixth Ranger never counted as part of FMB. It was quite literally excluded from being mentioned in examples. The character is really just "the extra band member who joins later and doesn't fit another role".

Plus it was already being shoehorned in anyway. This won't really change much.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 12th 2021 at 8:28:27 AM

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