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GeneralGigan Godzilla from A New Empire Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Godzilla
#1: Aug 18th 2021 at 8:57:42 PM

Here’s a problem I’ve noticed across the Wiki, but it’s never really brought up until now.

The big issue with the Works by Subject indexes is that they almost never have set standards as to what constitutes the subject, “(X) shows up in a major role” is the answer currently given, which doesn’t really benefit the wiki, since subject matter is a hard subject to define, and it can get really stretchy sometimes as far as misuse is concerned.

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callmeamuffin Just getting into Utena... (he/they) from the kitchen (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Thinkin' about you, muffin
Just getting into Utena... (he/they)
#2: Aug 26th 2021 at 1:07:03 AM

I support this cleanup. "(X) shows up as a main character" is definitely not indexworthy. What is indexworthy is how the subject has something to do with the plot.

Also, I might want to bring in RockRaider and Ghostfreak45, since they had been making some of these pages lately.

Edited by callmeamuffin on Aug 26th 2021 at 7:01:46 PM

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callmeamuffin Just getting into Utena... (he/they) from the kitchen (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Thinkin' about you, muffin
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#3: Aug 27th 2021 at 1:07:02 AM
Ghostfreak45 Since: Feb, 2017
#4: Aug 30th 2021 at 1:12:01 PM

I’m very sorry for any trouble I may have caused and will happily contribute to any and all cleanup efforts.

RockRaider Since: Aug, 2014
#5: Aug 30th 2021 at 1:14:37 PM

Ok. Tell me what you think doesn't fit.

GeneralGigan Godzilla from A New Empire Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Godzilla
#6: Aug 30th 2021 at 1:47:20 PM

To start, let’s look at the one easiest to define, Kaiju Works.

This one’s easy, we’ll define it as a story where Kaiju are the focus of the narrative, and Rent-a-Zilla is not at play, the only one that I can safely say to remove is The Suicide Squad, since that film has loads of other things in unambiguous spotlight, and the Kaiju is just along for the ride.

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Ghostfreak45 Since: Feb, 2017
#7: Aug 30th 2021 at 5:39:09 PM

I just removed The Suicide Squad from Kaiju Works. What next?

Edited by Ghostfreak45 on Aug 30th 2021 at 5:39:40 AM

GeneralGigan Godzilla from A New Empire Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Godzilla
#8: Aug 30th 2021 at 6:24:12 PM

I don’t know, I’ll go through all the indexes and I’ll bring them here if I see anything that is in desperate need of attention.

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MylesHenryVigilSr Uni-Horn Goat from New Mexico Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
Uni-Horn Goat
#10: Sep 6th 2021 at 1:24:03 PM

I created this index about works that prominently feature characters with Down syndrome. I figured something like this would eventually be created since specific disabilities, animals, fictional concepts such as time travel, and mythical creatures are the most common theme for these indexes. I then thought about if these index would eventually cause problems, so I put the TLP draft up for grabs in case anybody else wanted to make something out of it.

I apologize for doing this and realize that was a bad move on my part. We could discard the draft if you’d like.

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ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#11: Sep 21st 2021 at 7:58:33 PM

I'm also noticing an abundance of "works by subject" pages for subjects that, honestly, seem too random to really form a connection between works.

Malady (X-Troper)
#12: Sep 21st 2021 at 8:47:27 PM

[up] - Such as?

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ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#13: Sep 26th 2021 at 10:32:19 AM

Well, there's this one from the TLP: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=s3wuyrcny5wjd0gmabux7rz9

I feel like "animated skeletons appear" is too broad and generic a descriptor to draw a connection between works that otherwise have nothing to do with each other.

Malady (X-Troper)
#14: Sep 26th 2021 at 11:12:27 AM

Made a comment. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=s3wuyrcny5wjd0gmabux7rz9#comment-l36150b7383f0cc

Thoughts?

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MylesHenryVigilSr Uni-Horn Goat from New Mexico Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
Uni-Horn Goat
#15: Sep 26th 2021 at 8:31:34 PM

Discarded my Down syndrome draft.

^Honestly, I don’t see a point in a “works featuring skeletons” index.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#16: Sep 27th 2021 at 4:54:11 AM

[up] - Yes, which is why I'm advocating a Undead Stories draft instead.

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Ghostfreak45 Since: Feb, 2017
#17: Sep 27th 2021 at 11:32:34 AM

After looking over both this thread and the Skeleton Stories draft, I think I might understand the issue a bit better. I'll use vampires as an example. With most vampire stories, there's multiple connecting threads/tropes (bloodsucking [or lack thereof], immortality, focus on biting and fangs, their myriad weaknesses, etc.) beyond just having one or more vampires as the main characters. As such, I think an important distinguisher that needs to be added to both present and future works pages is the use of a minimum number of subject-specific tropes (ex: Vampire Tropes for vampires) in addition to the main character requirement.

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