Follow TV Tropes

Following

Misused: Ending Aversion

Go To

Aug 23rd 2021 at 2:23:42 AM

[up][up]Fan Disliked Ending sounds identical to the misuse of Ending Aversion (endings so infamous even non-fans know about them and thus avoid the work).

"Overshadowed By (The) Ending" or similar might be a better fit as it conveys how the ending taints everything to the point most would only know about backlash to said ending than the work itself. Distinct fro Overshadowed by Controversy as OBC is being overshadowed by minor or out-of-work parts of it which the ending isn't.

Kevjro7 Susjection!
Susjection!
Aug 23rd 2021 at 9:29:27 AM

Fan Disliked Ending sounds identical to the misuse of Ending Aversion
That's the point. We'd cut down on misuse of Ending Aversion by giving the misuse somewhere to go.

selkies Inactive threads bumper Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Inactive threads bumper
Aug 23rd 2021 at 1:28:28 PM

[up] This.

Besides, Overshadowed By The Ending is such a limiting/narrow name since a work can be well known and discussed enough and still have a terrible ending according to its audience and critics.

Aug 24th 2021 at 12:49:33 AM

I see, I misunderstood the goal of this cleanup was to change the definition to better reflect current use (I see how the correct use would be overly restrictive at too few would have experienced it by definition.) Question:

  • Does the amount of backlash against the ending have to be larger than Broken Base?
  • Do examples now need some king of proof of widespread backlash?

Kevjro7 Susjection!
Susjection!
Aug 28th 2021 at 11:01:28 AM

Here are some fast ways to cleanup Sandbox.Audience Alienating Ending:

Berrenta Winter is coming... from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Winter is coming...
Aug 29th 2021 at 7:27:34 AM

[up] I'll be fine with the latter.

TRS needs your help!
mightymewtron "We're gonna test the lesbian waters!" from New New York Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
"We're gonna test the lesbian waters!"
Aug 30th 2021 at 10:16:15 PM

For the new YMMV item, I think "Fan-Disliked Finale" has a better ring to it. Though that might also seem to exclude standalone works as "finale" as serialized connotations.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 30th 2021 at 1:16:42 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Sep 1st 2021 at 1:49:04 AM

[up]There are enough stand-alone stories that Finale would be overly restrictive.

So are we expanding so it's no longer just endings so infamous non-fans hear about them and avoid the work outright?

selkies Inactive threads bumper Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Inactive threads bumper
Sep 1st 2021 at 3:29:11 AM

No we're making another trope. We aren't expanding Ending Aversion.

GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sep 1st 2021 at 4:36:03 AM

[up][up][up]I agree, except maybe Tropes Are Flexible would allow entries for other works (not entirely sure).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 1st 2021 at 6:37:14 AM

Thud!!
Sep 1st 2021 at 3:42:27 PM

[up][up]In that case, I'd say Ending Aversion shouldn't allow examples as they would all be redundant with Fan Disliked Ending (any reviews noting backlash is noting Fan Disliked Ending as opposed to EA) and EA leaves no objective evidence like Audience-Alienating Premise.

Question: how would Fan Disliked Ending avoid being redundant with Fanon Discontinuity? And does the amount of dislike have to be significantly greater than Broken Base?

mightymewtron "We're gonna test the lesbian waters!" from New New York Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
"We're gonna test the lesbian waters!"
Sep 1st 2021 at 4:22:40 PM

Hmmm... I can see a point about redundancy. It boils down to "non-fan" vs "fan," really.

As for the questions: 1) Because it's not just endings covered by Fanon Discontinuity. 2) I would say as long as it's a generally significant opinion, so yeah, at least make it a Broken Base.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Sep 1st 2021 at 8:28:24 PM

[up]Forgot the rename was Audience Alienating Ending. That may answer that.

So AAE is separate from Broken Base and Fanon Discontinuity in that the dislike is such even general audiences as opposed to just the fanbase dislike? So if ending backlash reaches mainstream media attention it's definitely this?

Kevjro7 Susjection!
Susjection!
Sep 1st 2021 at 11:21:18 PM

About redundancy, Audience Reactions can overlap with or cause other audience reactions. Too Bleak, Stopped Caring can cause Angst Aversion, and Fan-Disliked Explanation can cause Fanon Discontinuity. A character being filled with too much Squick can make them The Scrappy. I don't see "redundancy" being a problem, especially since it'd cut down on misuse of an existing audience reaction.

I'd make the draft for "Fan-Disliked Whatever" myself, but I'm pretty busy with real life right now. There's plenty of examples in Ending Aversion Wick Check that could be used if someone else is interested.

Anymore thoughts on this?

Sep 4th 2021 at 7:28:50 PM

[up]I'd remove the examples separation by reason. No other pages does that, it makes it harder to search through examples by work, and reasons should be in the trope description.

Do we want such as a list of things that can cause it or a list of tropes that can?

Sep 20th 2021 at 1:43:51 AM

Bump. Any objections to re-sorting Sandbox.Audience Alienating Ending by media as opposed to the way the ending is disliked (putting the list of reasons in the description)?

GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sep 20th 2021 at 1:47:14 AM

[up]I don't know if I already said this (since I kind of forgot about this thread), but I'm in favor of sorting by medium instead of soft-splitting.

Thud!!
WarJay77 The cutest little monster from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little monster
Sep 20th 2021 at 9:21:19 AM

Yeah, soft-splits are just asking for trouble half the time.

Wick Check Project - Troper Wall - Currently working on: Wake Up, Go to School, Save the World
selkies Inactive threads bumper Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Inactive threads bumper
Sep 20th 2021 at 1:38:17 PM

Sure, let's sort it by media.

WarJay77 The cutest little monster from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little monster
Oct 5th 2021 at 2:15:51 AM

...Well, then. I'll try and sort it out myself if I have time, though this thread can also be useful.

This is mostly just a bump to remind people this thread exists.

Wick Check Project - Troper Wall - Currently working on: Wake Up, Go to School, Save the World
Oct 21st 2021 at 4:11:34 PM

Bumping. How is the sorting going?

WarJay77 The cutest little monster from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little monster
Oct 31st 2021 at 10:16:30 PM

any updates on the sorting?

WarJay77 The cutest little monster from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
The cutest little monster
Nov 5th 2021 at 11:09:25 AM

I'm still here, but clearly I don't really have the time to go example-sorting. Feel free to dive in if you want to.

Wick Check Project - Troper Wall - Currently working on: Wake Up, Go to School, Save the World

AlternativeTitles: EndingAversion
17th Aug '21 1:13:27 PM

Crown Description:

Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.

Total posts: 56
Top

How well does it match the trope?

Example of:

/

Media sources:

/

Report