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Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.

The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.


This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:

  • Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
  • Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
  • Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
  • Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
  • Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.

Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.

If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.

Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.


We also have some more general threads for character page help -
  • Character Page Cleanup: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
  • Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
  • Character pages for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have a dedicated thread here.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
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There are several persistent issues with the quality of Character Specific Pages. Now that there are official requirements for creating new pages, this thread can be hub for cleaning up pages with issues or that don't qualify. The requirements settled on are as follows, and its recommended that a page meet two or more to stand on its own:

  1. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
  2. The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
  3. A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note 
  4. The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
  5. A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.

Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.

Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.

If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on May 28th 2024 at 8:53:56 PM

Punitivefool14 Since: Mar, 2021
#2426: Mar 29th 2023 at 7:41:33 PM

I really hate to bring this up given it was already dealt with in the past, but My Hero Academia - All For One currently has over 313,000 bytes and is likely going to go over the byte limit yet again any day now. If that does happen, should the page be split or go through yet another clean up effort?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2427: Mar 29th 2023 at 8:22:02 PM

Last time it was because of all those Wall of text entries. Was that fixed?

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Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#2428: Mar 30th 2023 at 1:40:00 PM

[up][up] and [up]: Looking at it, there appears to have been no cleanup of the Wall of Text entries, so it should be cleaned up first. You can use the Wall of Text cleanup or create a new STP thread since there's a lot of examples that need to be trimmed.


Paging ~STARCRUSHER99 because I'm back with the last CSP for Resident Evil, Ethan Winters. Edits are listed over on my Sandbox. There were a lot of non-character tropes and, like the other Biohazard/Village pages I've cleaned, there was a lot of natter. His byte count has been reduced to only 28,635, so he'll be getting merged back to the Resident Evil 7: Biohazard page (I checked this byte count as well, page will be ~78K with Ethan back on it but has not been cleaned yet).
E: Added archive link to preserve cleanup.

Edited by Hello83433 on Apr 19th 2023 at 6:38:31 AM

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immblueversion Since: Sep, 2009
#2429: Mar 31st 2023 at 8:42:13 AM

I'm prepared to create a character-specific page for Rebecca Bluegarden. It's been brought to 44,178 bytes, updated and cleaned up from what's currently on the page EDENS ZERO: Main Characters.

The "Main Characters" page is currently at 131,597 bytes, and is itself a split-off from EDENS ZERO: Crew of Edens Zero (currently 174,313 bytes), but I'm also prepared to restructure the pages by creating two new subpages, separated by a significant chapter in the story (Chapter 104):

  • "Before Dragonfall" (currently 170,772 bytes), which will include all of the Main Characters folders and those in the "Crew of Edens Zero" assembled by the end of Season 1. I plan to redirect "Main Characters" to this page.
  • "After Dragonfall" (currently 86,880 bytes), which will include all the remaining folders.
  • The current "Crew of Edens Zero" page (which would only stand at 6,031 bytes as is) will feature tropes common to the crew and their ship as a whole.

Edited by immblueversion on Mar 31st 2023 at 8:45:53 AM

Excessive-Menace Time to SLEEP from the Velvet Cage (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
Time to SLEEP
#2430: Apr 2nd 2023 at 3:37:02 PM

Just as a heads up: MacronNotes said in the Trope Pantheons thread that Character-Specific Pages for character folders in that project are okay.

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SoyValdo7 I mainly fix indentation issues from La tierra de lagos y volcanes Since: Sep, 2022 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
I mainly fix indentation issues
#2431: Apr 2nd 2023 at 5:53:34 PM

The Character page of Zuma's Fear (a PAW Patrol fanfiction) hasn't been updated for over 3 years. It looks cluttered and very small.

I'm wondering if I should axe it all together, but I want to see what others think.

Valdo
Furygildeman Since: Nov, 2017
#2432: Apr 3rd 2023 at 8:20:07 AM

Would it be okay to move the “Core, Four” from. Scream: Recurring Characters to their own page? It’s 60 ,000 bytes and the page is 100,000 bytes without them

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2433: Apr 3rd 2023 at 8:32:11 AM

I don't see the need. Like maybe if the page was close to breaking. Though that could just be me.

Edited by Bullman on Apr 3rd 2023 at 10:32:33 AM

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IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#2434: Apr 3rd 2023 at 2:57:51 PM

Even then, 160k is a huge page to read through

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2435: Apr 3rd 2023 at 3:43:53 PM

Yeah true. Though the Ghostface page is something I'm more worried about as unless I am missing something its far bigger at 240,581 bytes. Is there a way to shorten that? Anything that can be separated?

Can someone please explain to me if every God of War page was necessary because I'm still a bit worried?

Edited by Bullman on Apr 3rd 2023 at 5:50:02 AM

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WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2436: Apr 3rd 2023 at 3:52:11 PM

For a possible Ghostface split, maybe like this?

  • General (including the other section)
  • The main killer
  • The accomplices

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Furygildeman Since: Nov, 2017
#2438: Apr 3rd 2023 at 7:30:11 PM

I’m think it’s better if you group them by the movie they were in. That way you can have a general folder about them as a duo if we want

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2439: Apr 3rd 2023 at 7:34:22 PM

The thing is I feel like that wouldn't solve the getting to big problem. Maybe just separating the masterminds might make sense. They seem to make up most of it.

Scream Ghostface Masterminds

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RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#2440: Apr 3rd 2023 at 11:56:45 PM

[up](x4) That sounds like a good way to split the page to me.

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#2441: Apr 4th 2023 at 12:07:50 AM

[up][up]Is your concern something like an abundance of pages?

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2442: Apr 4th 2023 at 12:22:39 AM

My concern is that when I see a lot i grow worried about rather or not these pages are naturally getting big enough. I'm not familiar with the games but considering most of them come from one signal original page the Norse one it makes me a bit worried.

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IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2444: Apr 4th 2023 at 1:08:30 AM

Again my concern is rather thet reached their length naturally. We just went through a big fox with Resident evil for pages being lengthend just to get one. Though I don't think that is the case here I just want to be watchful of that.

Edited by Bullman on Apr 4th 2023 at 4:05:17 AM

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Furygildeman Since: Nov, 2017
#2445: Apr 4th 2023 at 12:07:22 PM

Yeah i can support putting the Masterminds in their own page

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2446: Apr 5th 2023 at 3:56:14 PM

So Arrowverse: Team Arrow is getting a bit big 247,291 bytes. I was wondering if it there was a good way to shorten it?

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DoctorSleep Since: Nov, 2013
#2447: Apr 5th 2023 at 6:56:29 PM

What I would do is make subpages for the archers and the Black Canaries since they're the only characters who have anything in common.

Furygildeman Since: Nov, 2017
#2448: Apr 5th 2023 at 8:23:23 PM

Core members is another way. Diggle, Felicity, Roy and Laurel while the rest can go to another page.

Edited by Furygildeman on Apr 5th 2023 at 8:24:16 AM

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#2449: Apr 8th 2023 at 5:00:45 AM

I just heard that Characters.Fate Stay Night Kirei Kotomine was created. While it meets the byte sizes and word requirements, I'm not sure whether to include his Fate/Zero tropes on that page as well.

Eh, good enough.
DoctorSleep Since: Nov, 2013
#2450: Apr 9th 2023 at 4:41:31 AM

I've managed to get a DCEU: Darkseid sandbox with a byte count of 41,798. Given his limited screentime I'm hoping we can reach a consensus on whether or not he properly fulfills all the tropes listed.


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