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Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.

The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.


This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:

  • Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
  • Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
  • Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
  • Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
  • Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.

Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.

If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.

Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.


We also have some more general threads for character page help -
  • Character Page Cleanup: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
  • Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
  • Character pages for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have a dedicated thread here.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
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There are several persistent issues with the quality of Character Specific Pages. Now that there are official requirements for creating new pages, this thread can be hub for cleaning up pages with issues or that don't qualify. The requirements settled on are as follows, and its recommended that a page meet two or more to stand on its own:

  1. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
  2. The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
  3. A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note 
  4. The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
  5. A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.

Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.

Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.

If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on May 28th 2024 at 8:53:56 PM

CrimsonShark Punk Rocker from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#2401: Mar 24th 2023 at 7:52:29 AM

Give Miranda her own page. 237k is more than big enough + trying to make edits in a 200k+ page tends to cause freezes in the midst of editing, making them harder to add, decrease or generally manage in the long run.

WHERE IS KRYPTO, I mean, WHERE IS THE DOG!!!
IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#2402: Mar 24th 2023 at 1:19:26 PM

Kung Fu Panda Lord Shen Was made just recently

I don't have the equipment though to tell if it was made prematurely though.

Edited by IkeaHan on Mar 24th 2023 at 1:19:34 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#2403: Mar 24th 2023 at 1:45:49 PM

[up] By my count, Lord Shen's page is around 38k bytes, just below the 40k byte requirement to be given his own page.

If added back to the Antagonists page, that would be roughly 115k bytes, which isn't large enough to trigger the warning.

lexii from London Since: Jul, 2009
#2404: Mar 25th 2023 at 4:38:27 AM

I’ll do a quick clean up on Lord Shen - and yes, suggest this is merged back. [tup]

Edit - I've cleaned up the page. There were some indentation issues and contradictory entry writing that I've revised, as well as unnecessary 'aversions', which go against guidelines. Happy to merge this page back, if we're all agreed? (byte count is 36.7k)

Edited by lexii on Mar 25th 2023 at 12:11:49 PM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
lexii from London Since: Jul, 2009
#2406: Mar 25th 2023 at 6:41:37 AM

[up] on it [tup]

Edit - that's done, with an explanatory note directing users here under the edit reason. Removed links, added to cut list.

Edited by lexii on Mar 25th 2023 at 2:02:36 PM

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#2407: Mar 26th 2023 at 12:58:33 AM

I've noticed there's some discrepancies between page names based on whether the work they're from is named after the character. It seems to either be...

[Title Character][The Character]

or [Title Character][Title Character]

Im wondering if it's worth standardizing how we name them. I personally find the latter category odd and redundant

Edited by IkeaHan on Mar 26th 2023 at 1:46:27 AM

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BlackFaithStar [Hiatus til March] from 🇲🇾 (UTC plus 8) (Less Newbie) Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
[Hiatus til March]
#2408: Mar 26th 2023 at 1:25:15 AM

[up]Reminds me of how the titular character of BoBoiBoy used to have a page at Bo Boi Boy Bo Boi Boy Elements. I find the latter format that you've mentioned to be a bit redundant, and "Title Character" to be clearer.

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When you're alone I'm reaching out to let you know that you're far from strangers, like the savior
lexii from London Since: Jul, 2009
#2409: Mar 26th 2023 at 2:02:23 AM

[up] [up]Agreed - the first format works better.

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#2410: Mar 26th 2023 at 2:03:01 AM

Any objections to renaming then?

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Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#2411: Mar 26th 2023 at 2:08:47 AM

The second format isn't actually [Title Character][Title Character], it's [Work Title][Character Name], same as any other character-specific page. So

should be understood as
  • Shrek (work): Shrek (character)
  • Shrek (work): Puss in Boots (character)

The first part and the second part are referring to different things, even if they happen to be composed of the same string of letters.

This brings to mind this ATT discussion about writing examples about title characters. Consensus agreed that combining the work title and character name in the example was bad form. The Batman (The Character) style looks to be another version of that.

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#2412: Mar 26th 2023 at 2:19:50 AM

The point is standard formatting just results in cases like these looking redundant

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Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#2413: Mar 26th 2023 at 2:23:29 AM

"Looks redundant" doesn't mean "is redundant".

Bayonetta - Titular Character at least is better than Batman (The Character), because it's not treating the work name and the character name as the same.

Edited by Twiddler on Mar 26th 2023 at 2:25:36 AM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#2414: Mar 26th 2023 at 2:29:15 AM

[up] Yeah. This. I do prefer the Spider-Man: Peter Parker approach when practical, for that reason.

AdtAuthor44 from Wood Dale Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#2415: Mar 26th 2023 at 10:57:03 AM

I guess it all depends on the work’s name. If it is named after the original protagonist, then the protagonist’s page should be “Titular Character”. But if the protagonist has an actual name, then we should use those instead (i.e. Batman - Bruce Wayne instead of Batman (The Character)).

I want to go to Tonio's.
IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#2416: Mar 26th 2023 at 11:36:37 AM

[up][up][up]I don't get how that contradicts anything I've said, but anyway...

Edited by IkeaHan on Mar 26th 2023 at 11:36:45 AM

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IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#2418: Mar 26th 2023 at 7:30:33 PM

Wondering if, on the Sandbox for CSP sandboxes, we should cut the pages that aren't even at 30K. The list is long, and these 5 pages haven't had a meaningful edit (meaning added content to the page, not just cleanup) in several months at the least, some haven't had any meaningful additions at all.

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CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floors
WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2419: Mar 27th 2023 at 3:48:29 AM

Alright I moved the current listed tropes on Skylanders Academy Spyro back to Spyro the Dragon (The Character) and applied for a cut on the former.

EDIT: The latter's blank despite when you go to edit, everything's still there? Sorted it.

Edited by WetFlannels on Mar 27th 2023 at 11:51:58 AM

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2421: Mar 27th 2023 at 9:22:56 AM

[up][up][up] Yeah cut those pages.

Heimdall seems good but I am a bit concerned about the amount of pages that God of War has. I don't know why though.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 27th 2023 at 11:24:27 AM

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lexii from London Since: Jul, 2009
#2422: Mar 27th 2023 at 9:59:59 AM

[up] That main index does seem very under-populated. I guess this brings up the point again about how splitting some characters off can leave quite a barren main index, with loads of empty folders and redirects. Not a great UX in my opinion sad

SpaceProtagonist (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Abstaining
#2423: Mar 29th 2023 at 8:47:15 AM

So... what do you think we should do with the two Diane pages? (Which both happen to come from a 'B' title.) They both seem to be in good condition... unless you notice a flaw that I don't.

lexii from London Since: Jul, 2009
#2424: Mar 29th 2023 at 8:55:08 AM

[up] Diane N Looks like they could use a clean-up first. There are walls of text that could be condensed, and some contradictory entries — I don't know this series, but stuff like this seems a bit confusing:

Straw Feminist: Zig-zagged a bunch and often Played for Laughs, but ultimately a deconstruction... (etc).

Edited by lexii on Mar 29th 2023 at 4:57:02 PM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2425: Mar 29th 2023 at 7:04:56 PM

[up][up] The Bad Guys one at least seems good to go. If it meats the byte count.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 29th 2023 at 9:06:00 AM

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