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Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.

The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.


This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:

  • Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
  • Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
  • Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
  • Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
  • Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.

Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.

If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.

Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.


We also have some more general threads for character page help -
  • Character Page Cleanup: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
  • Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
  • Character pages for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have a dedicated thread here.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
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There are several persistent issues with the quality of Character Specific Pages. Now that there are official requirements for creating new pages, this thread can be hub for cleaning up pages with issues or that don't qualify. The requirements settled on are as follows, and its recommended that a page meet two or more to stand on its own:

  1. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
  2. The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
  3. A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note 
  4. The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
  5. A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.

Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.

Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.

If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on May 28th 2024 at 8:53:56 PM

snowfire Quintesson Prosecutor from Unspace Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Quintesson Prosecutor
#2151: Nov 27th 2022 at 7:10:20 PM

The horrendous error is resolved.

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Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#2152: Nov 28th 2022 at 6:34:24 PM

Looks like Koyanskaya from Fate/Grand Order has the potential for a character-specific page- It's around 40k bytes. That being said, I'm not sure if I should include the playable versions of her- If so, do I list the gameplay tropes separately from the story tropes?

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Nov 28th 2022 at 6:34:43 AM

Eh, good enough.
DoctorSleep Since: Nov, 2013
#2153: Nov 29th 2022 at 3:58:06 AM

I've just created a sandbox for Rick And Morty Summer Smith and the byte count as it stands is over 52,000. Albeit a chunk of that page is episode-specific points.

kohane88 Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#2154: Nov 29th 2022 at 9:51:21 AM

Regarding the Genshin Impact: Archons page, now that Zhongli and Nahida have their own individual character pages, may I suggest moving all the tropes from under the Geo Archon and Dendro Archon folders into those respective pages like what was done for Raiden Shogun? The same can be done for Venti if he ever gets his own page in the future as well. Given that they are the same individuals with multiple names, I don't see the point of splitting them up as it can be quite inconvenient for anyone to browse two different pages just for one particular character. If anyone is worried about spoilers, we can always use warnings or spoiler tags.

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#2155: Nov 29th 2022 at 9:58:28 AM

^^ Id make sure that not only is there little word cruft after cleanup, but that anything referencing a specific episode actually serves to exemplify the character and not just be some one off detail that should go on a recap

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Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#2156: Nov 30th 2022 at 2:10:47 AM

I've started Sandbox.Fate Grand Order Senji Muramasa as a way to trim the length of Characters.Fate Grand Order Sabers N To Z because it was getting too big. Any suggestions?

Eh, good enough.
GoldenCityBird from the UK Since: Oct, 2018
#2157: Nov 30th 2022 at 3:08:12 AM

Merge the main and Cosmos folders, and look out for moment-specific tropes that have to be moved to Recaps or the Main page.

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WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2158: Dec 6th 2022 at 4:42:04 AM

Marvel Comics Killmonger is a page that has nowhere near the required byte count and from what I can tell he's not noted in the byte count sandbox. Remove him?

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2159: Dec 6th 2022 at 9:35:44 AM

Same with Marvel Comics: Legion (tops out at over 16k by my count), which has a whole bunch of empty folders besides.

[down]Done

Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 7th 2022 at 10:38:55 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#2160: Dec 6th 2022 at 9:38:09 AM

Go ahead and merge them back to whichever pages they previously came from.

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#2162: Dec 8th 2022 at 11:54:31 AM

I see there's an in-progress page for Rei Ayanami and a note pondering moving Toji so we're not leaving one page under 40k. I was wondering what thoughts on creating her page and making a Pilots section on NERV Staff for him to be slated under would be? We could also list the other pilots with links to their pages as the page does for Gendō.

Edited by 43110 on Dec 8th 2022 at 2:54:40 PM

Excessive-Menace Time to SLEEP from the Velvet Cage (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
Time to SLEEP
#2163: Dec 8th 2022 at 3:55:59 PM

So I'm thinking of making a Sandbox page for Komi Shouko from Komi Can't Communicate as her folder is getting very close to the 40,000 byte minimum and is the largest character of the work. However, I'm unsure of how to write her name in the title: either as Komi Shouko (Japanese way, also preserves the wordplay) or Shouko Komi (English way). The page for the series uses the former "last name first" convention, so I'm leaning towards that, but I'd like to hear from others about what to do first before I create anything.

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WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2164: Dec 8th 2022 at 6:26:18 PM

@STAR Sorry but how do I do that? I'm not really knowledgeable with this sort of stuff.

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#2165: Dec 8th 2022 at 6:29:12 PM

Basically, it means doing a massive copy and paste - you copy all the info from the page being merged and just paste it on the page it came from. So, in this case, it would be copying everything on Killmonger's page, going to Black Panther: Enemies, and then pasting it where it belongs in his folder. I've done everything this time (and turned Killmonger's page into a redirect while I was at it), but that's how it works in the future.

Rhapsody Since: Jun, 2014
#2166: Dec 8th 2022 at 11:50:59 PM

[up][up][up] Maybe page title = Shouko Komi (ie. Characters.Komi Cant Communicate Shouko Komi) and the rest of the page = Komi Shouko so that it's consistent with the other character pages? I'd be fine with making the title Characters.Komi Cant Communicate Komi Shouko too for the sake of consistency, but idk if that will clash with any TV Trope rules re:translation/localisation or not.

As someone who watched the anime and is reading the manga, I find it a bit weird that the character pages emphasise keeping the Japanese name order to preserve the name puns yet only explain the puns in some but not all of the character profile descriptions (I know they usually explain it in the trope list, but you'd think something important like that would also be put in the descriptions somewhere). That's a conversation for the regular Komi wiki editors/readers though aka not me.

Edited by Rhapsody on Dec 9th 2022 at 6:53:32 AM

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#2167: Dec 9th 2022 at 1:31:48 AM

The Komi Can't Communicate character pages need fixing — they should be in given name-surname order, since that's what the localization uses.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#2168: Dec 9th 2022 at 11:31:53 AM

Thoughts on a potential Rei page following the suggestion I thought of which I mentioned here?

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2169: Dec 9th 2022 at 12:24:07 PM

[up][up][up][up] Alright cheers for letting me know STAR.

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Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#2170: Dec 9th 2022 at 1:12:04 PM

[up][up] Something I noticed just glancing over a couple of pages is the tendency for these characters to have very long descriptions. Rei's is 3K bytes and Shinji's is 5.5K bytes. Seeing as Rei is just barely hitting 40K right now, a description rework would put her back below the byte threshold. I'm wondering what other individual pages would need to be merged back if the descriptions were edited (not Shinji, he'd still be over 60K) so I think that issue should be addressed first.

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43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#2171: Dec 9th 2022 at 1:39:54 PM

Fair point, I admittedly didn't even look over those. I can rework them later!

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#2172: Dec 10th 2022 at 10:19:31 PM

God of War Series - The Stranger is called that despite the page itself just immediately listing the guy's true name and identity, Baldur. And especially in the game after he's introduced, no one even calls him "The Stranger" anymore. Is it alright to redirect this namespace to God of War Series: Baldur?

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RinneSharinganCatalyst 小柏 カイ from the ricefields Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
小柏 カイ
#2173: Dec 10th 2022 at 11:11:23 PM

[up]I'd say go ahead.

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#2174: Dec 11th 2022 at 8:16:02 AM

I still intend to eventually move Characters.Arrowverse Dinah Laurel Lance -> Characters.Arrowverse Laurel Lance, but it's more of a major reworking than a straight-up move. Just posting here to remind myself.

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IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#2175: Dec 11th 2022 at 8:16:31 AM

Shouldn't it be Dinah Lance?

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