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Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.

The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.


This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:

  • Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
  • Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
  • Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
  • Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
  • Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.

Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.

If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.

Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.


We also have some more general threads for character page help -
  • Character Page Cleanup: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
  • Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
  • Character pages for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have a dedicated thread here.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
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There are several persistent issues with the quality of Character Specific Pages. Now that there are official requirements for creating new pages, this thread can be hub for cleaning up pages with issues or that don't qualify. The requirements settled on are as follows, and its recommended that a page meet two or more to stand on its own:

  1. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
  2. The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
  3. A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note 
  4. The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
  5. A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.

Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.

Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.

If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on May 28th 2024 at 8:53:56 PM

kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2126: Nov 22nd 2022 at 11:21:42 PM

Welp, seems hololive English - Generation Two -Council- is needing some sorting out. I was gonna run a new edit for Mumei on Get Help With English Here first but decided to run the character limit. Mumei is now up to 85,560 characters.

There’s still plenty of room left over after cropping her out.

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#2127: Nov 22nd 2022 at 11:51:21 PM

God of War Series – Norse Gods is getting freaking massive; over 270k bytes.

There are some drafts for separation already on the workshop including Odin, Freya, Thor, and Magni & Modi.

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#2128: Nov 23rd 2022 at 12:07:15 AM

[up]Holy Cramoly that is a ton. Yeah, there definitely need to be some character specific pages cut out of that one.

This may not be the place to ask this, but I was wondering if there is any sort of specific process of approval needed to make edits to the Character Specific Page Byte Check. I have been looking at The Owl House, and due to a series of edits as of "Thanks to Them", several characters have had their byte counter increased, and fairly substantially. Should I go ahead and update it from what it is currently? note 

Actually while we are on the topic of Byte Counts, Twilight Sparkle has an eyewatering 304,465 bytes on her one tropes page. I know that Goku and Vegeta had to have their pages broken up into subpages because the byte counter was so ludicrously huge, and they had a smiliar number. Should we do that for Twilight?

Edited by ForgoLight on Nov 23rd 2022 at 12:24:55 PM

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#2129: Nov 23rd 2022 at 12:44:16 AM

The byte check sandbox really isn't that big of a deal outside of making new pages; it's just maintenance to check how big or small pages are getting

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#2130: Nov 23rd 2022 at 12:46:12 AM

Oh okay. So I am clear to update the Byte Counts?

And what should we do bout Ms. Sparkle?

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#2131: Nov 23rd 2022 at 12:49:39 AM

AFAIK we haven't really set up guidelines about making multiple pages for one character.

Edited by IkeaHan on Nov 23rd 2022 at 12:49:48 PM

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#2132: Nov 23rd 2022 at 1:25:39 AM

[up]Fair enough. Even so, I know that Twilight's Byte Count is pushing it pretty close to the limits of what one page can handle. Does anyone else think we should break her page up? Maybe the threshold for such a decision is at like 280k to 300k, sort of like how the threshold for one character page is at 40k?

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#2133: Nov 23rd 2022 at 1:31:02 AM

As always, the first step should be a cleanup effort. Notably, there may be tropes that don't actually belong on character pages, and removing those would decrease the byte count.

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#2134: Nov 23rd 2022 at 1:34:46 AM

[up]Funny you should mention that, since I am reasonably sure said effort already happened. On the Byte Check page, she has around 60k more bytes than her actual count, and she is still over 300k. Then again, it may not have. I haven't looked at her edit history yet.

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#2135: Nov 23rd 2022 at 1:38:15 AM

I only bring it up because character pages are sort of notorious for being bloated messes, and while people remember to fix the obvious issues, everyone is less willing to actually remove non character tropes from the list (myself included) so it's just always possible that a deeper dive will cut the page down significantly. Or not.

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#2136: Nov 23rd 2022 at 1:43:08 AM

[up]True, true. Like I said, I am not very familiar with the state of Twilight's tropes page other than the fact that it is stupid huge. It may have already been cleared of non character tropes already. I'm not a hundred percent sure. I just thought that I would mention her hear in case the consensus was that she need stuff done.

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kuchiki222 Since: Apr, 2015
#2137: Nov 23rd 2022 at 7:02:04 AM

So, Characters.Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Stone Ocean is nearing 260k bytes, and the Heroes sub-section is nearing 100k on its own. Should it be split off now or after the Too Long warning?

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#2138: Nov 23rd 2022 at 7:04:06 AM

Probably good for a split.

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#2139: Nov 23rd 2022 at 12:01:00 PM

Re: Twilight. I know several months ago (or maybe a year at this point) I started to clean up her page since it was getting a warning, but I did not finish it. I don't know if anyone else tried but to my knowledge there has been no completed cleanup effort.

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#2140: Nov 23rd 2022 at 12:42:53 PM

Alright. Like I said, I'm not sure about her exact cleanup status, I just thought that I would bring her up. Speaking of which Dragon Ball: Frieza had a last reported byte count of 304k. I can't really check his exact byte count is since I am at work right now, but once I get the chance I'll do so.

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#2141: Nov 23rd 2022 at 12:50:23 PM

Frieza is currently about 305k

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#2142: Nov 23rd 2022 at 1:58:35 PM

[up]I see... Hmmm... has anyone done any recent cleaning of his page? I did a cursory glance at it and I didn't see a large amount of tropes or Wall of Text examples removed recently, but I may not have looked back far enough.

Also what does AFAIK mean? Is that slang for something?

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#2144: Nov 23rd 2022 at 9:03:05 PM

Kyler Parks folder from The Karate Kid: Cobra Kai and Associates is at about 39,335 bytes with the page being about 200,000 bytes with out the folder.

I also suggest an image update for his page. , which I assume is a clean change since it’ll be a new page

Made a sandbox page . If denied we can just delete. Just made it because Cobra Kai is a very long page and wanted to clear up as much as possible.

Edited by Furygildeman on Nov 23rd 2022 at 9:18:35 AM

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#2145: Nov 25th 2022 at 8:01:28 AM

Genshin Impact: The Wanderer has been made today, but it has 35,963 bytes, falling a bit short of the 40,000 byte minimum requirement. Should it be cutlisted and moved back into Genshin Impact: Harbingers, where his folder was originally located?

Edited by Excessive-Menace on Nov 25th 2022 at 10:39:54 AM

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#2146: Nov 25th 2022 at 8:18:04 AM

[up]I'd say move it back

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#2148: Nov 25th 2022 at 11:05:33 AM

I've put Scaramouche/Wanderer's folder back in Genshin Impact: Harbingers, removed the links to Genshin Impact: The Wanderer and cutlisted it.

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#2149: Nov 27th 2022 at 12:15:13 PM

Hello. I have a problem with The LEGO Movie's character page.

It consists of characters from the first and second movie, which makes sense, and the Lego Batman and Ninjago Movie spin-offs, which makes less sense, all mashed together just because it's a shared verse, despite Lego Batman and the Ninjago Movie being mostly self-contained.

I find this horrendous. Can I move the Lego Batman and Ninjago Movie sections to their own pages?

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#2150: Nov 27th 2022 at 5:52:22 PM

Might as well split them off, because they aren't really the same thing in the first place.

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