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Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.

The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.


This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:

  • Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
  • Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
  • Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
  • Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
  • Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.

Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.

If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.

Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.


We also have some more general threads for character page help -
  • Character Page Cleanup: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
  • Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
  • Character pages for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have a dedicated thread here.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
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There are several persistent issues with the quality of Character Specific Pages. Now that there are official requirements for creating new pages, this thread can be hub for cleaning up pages with issues or that don't qualify. The requirements settled on are as follows, and its recommended that a page meet two or more to stand on its own:

  1. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
  2. The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
  3. A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note 
  4. The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
  5. A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.

Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.

Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.

If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on May 28th 2024 at 8:53:56 PM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#1951: Sep 20th 2022 at 8:45:53 PM

Uh, long story short, Gate got kicked for taking it to the mod's PMs and refusing to listen to reason.

Soooo... yeah.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 20th 2022 at 11:46:15 AM

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#1952: Sep 20th 2022 at 10:26:44 PM

Okay, now that that's happened...

I'll start going through the RE character pages (starting with the monsters) and removing misuse, moving the narrative tropes to their respective games, and cutting down the descriptions. After that's done, we'll see what's left and if anything needs to be merged back I guess. If anyone wants to help (STARCRUSHER I saw you post earlier saying you might do something) that's cool too [tup].

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kuchiki222 Since: Apr, 2015
#1953: Sep 22nd 2022 at 2:37:51 AM

So, the Black Clover: Crimson Lion Kings is 35,251 bytes while Black Clover: Mereoleona Vermillion is barely above 40k bytes. Should it be re-merged?

Edited by kuchiki222 on Sep 22nd 2022 at 2:38:23 AM

Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#1954: Sep 22nd 2022 at 3:00:36 AM

Sorry for DP, but I've cobbled together a list of changes over at my sandbox to be reviewed (RE: Resident Evil Plaga page). I've folderized everything and listed reasoning to trope changes as I would do with a wick check. I'll likely continue to use my sandbox page for the duration of this cleanup.

I'll leave it there for a few days for feedback, as I've surely missed a thing or two, but I'm cross-eyed at this point. grin

CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floors
Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#1955: Sep 22nd 2022 at 3:21:56 AM

That's not a character-specific page so I'm going to request it definitely not be moved back to the Resident Evil 4 page (and that's technically not even where it belongs considering the monsters span multiple games/media) within the context of the broader index it was made. And given it's not specific either, there's no byte count quota to merge back as far as I know considering there are many character pages on the site that index only a few characters. If you have such a problem with the tropes (it seems like an outright evisceration), they should certainly just be replaced in accordance with what tropes are actually appropriate for what's being replaced.

Also, bear in mind: I am not always rewriting or arranging most of these tropes. A lot of these are imported untouched from the work people have left behind for years. And (EDIT): given the fact misuse of character-specific/non-specific tropes tends to happen a lot more than it seems on many, many pages due to it not being so easily apparent/resourceful by index, I don't think this page should be singled out for it alone.

EDIT 2: I have a lot of concerns and problems with this user's sandbox upon inspecting it more and really want more people to chime in carefully before anything happens. If they were to ever somehow go through, they would mean the removal of whole pre-existing character folders as well since the changes go as far as removing every trope entirely from some (see Del Lago's proposed changes); tropes that were in place for years through other user contributions and unmentioned up until I brought this to notice. As I mentioned before, I simply plucked the folders from their pages, for the most part, much of my contributions only being the descriptions, images, and page arrangement.

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Sep 22nd 2022 at 5:38:24 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1956: Sep 22nd 2022 at 5:43:32 AM

Sung, I'm gonna be real - stop taking every suggestion on the pages you made as a personal attack. No one is saying you did anything wrong or accusing you of anything, so you don't have to be defensive over every little thing. And yes, while there are some cases where there's no byte count requirement, this case is not one of them. This is the exact reason why we like to know of people's plans before you do them - because now we're gonna have to revert some people's hard work, figure out a title change, and see where this info can go, because it's almost certainly gonna be too short - while some tropes can be moved or replace, there are many that are just straight up misuse and have no replacement.

Though just to be safe, ~Hello83433 can you make a second sandbox that would be the RE Monsters Plaga page with your suggestions already implemented so that we can get a byte count for it? I don't want to move it, but all those changes you suggested seem right (the only one I wouldn't do is any changes to the Chainsaw Man's Breakout Character entry, but that's just me).

Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#1957: Sep 22nd 2022 at 5:58:07 AM

I just do not exactly see why you would want to remove the entire Plaga index and move/split back the enemies to the RE4 and RE5 pages where these characters originally occupied rather than try to work on replacing the tropes whilst leaving the page intact. The work made to assemble it notwithstanding, I don't know what that's going to mean for the collective index I made together to compile the series-wide enemies/creatures. Are those subpages going to be undone as well?

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Sep 22nd 2022 at 6:11:11 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1958: Sep 22nd 2022 at 6:05:01 AM

It’ll depend page by page on how much misuse is on them like here. It’s not that anyone wants to destroy what’s been built, but what’s been built is based off of a lot of misuse, and the solution for these kinds of problems is to delete the misuse and merge it back.

Also, there’s nothing saying we can’t merge it back into the Monsters index instead of the 4 character page, so why wouldn’t we just do that?

ALSO also, just being honest for a second? It’s not our job to fix someone else’s mistake in regards to finding replacement tropes for the misuse instead of just deleting it. If you want to try to find replacements, go right ahead and give it a whirl, but a lot of this is just stuff that shouldn’t be on a character page to begin with.

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Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#1960: Sep 22nd 2022 at 10:09:24 AM

~STARCRUSHER99 Sure thing, I made the sandbox at Resident Evil Monsters Part 2. ETA: I did not implement any of these changes on the actual character page or the main game pages, just in case that wasn't clear. Sorry, I did most of this at 3am last night and had a brain fart as to why I decided to use my personal sandbox. :/

I left the Breakout Character entry alone as well.

Just to clear some things up (idk if I need to defend myself at this point, but I will). I did not mean move the page back to the main Resident Evil 4 page, since that's not where it originally came from. Miscommunication on my part due to poor wording I suppose. The character folders would need to be sorted and either sent back the character pages for 4 and 5 or merged into the Irregulars or Index page. I would like to go through all the monster subpages before properly doing anything so we can see what exactly we're dealing with. I am not just singling out this page, this page was done first because it failed the byte count minimum, I am planning on checking the other pages too.

  • There is a byte count quota, it's 40K.
  • The tropes are not characterization tropes. I don't have a problem with them, I'm not deleting them (not the valid ones anyway). The valid examples are being moved to their game pages because that's where the narrative tropes belong (some are already there so there's unnecessary duplication). This is why I used the red markup to explain what I would be doing with each example — because I'm a regular at TRS and this is how we make issues known and work with each other to help fix them.
  • I can't just replace the tropes that are being moved. Some examples are shoehorned, some tropes don't have a characterization version. This request kind of puts me off as well because it reminds me of a TRS discussion where it was asked that the TRS tropers fix all the Zero-Context Examples. The onus should not be on me (or any other troper helping to clean this up) to find suitable replacement tropes. Also, we would need to make up roughly 13K bytes worth of tropes to keep the page and that's a lot.
  • I never said you did most of the work, Sung-Hwan, I realize this was the contribution of many editors and some (or all) misuse was there prior to you working on the page. I don't have a vendetta against you like you seem to think I do.
  • I already made it clear I'm not going to just change things willy nilly, I said in my original post I was leaving it up for feedback.

~Kuchiki 222 I don't want your question getting lost in the chaos, so I'll give my opinion: I'm not too sure honestly. I don't follow Black Clover but it seems like its still ongoing. Maybe merge them back? Mereoleona is at 40K, but the main page isn't an unreasonable length so it should be fine to merge it. Then again, Mereoleona and the Crimson Lion Kings pages could grow further, and the Crimson Lion Kings page is large enough I suppose, so I'm on the fence. What do others think?

Edited by Hello83433 on Sep 22nd 2022 at 1:17:49 PM

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1961: Sep 22nd 2022 at 4:01:31 PM

Okay, yeah, with all the misuse and stuff cut out, the Plaga page is far too short to keep. I'm gonna say go ahead and make those changes, then merge the page back into the main Monsters Index.

While we're at it? I think we need to retitle the pages. We can request mod moves so that the histories can be kept intact, but labeling them in "parts" is improper titling for two reasons: one, for the reason that we're discovering, if one of the parts has to be cut then it all goes wrong, and two, the pages are then listed completely differently in the WMG, so I say that we change:

The old titles would stay as redirects, but it keeps the titling convention intact and prevents this kind of issue from popping up again. Any objections?

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Sep 22nd 2022 at 7:02:40 AM

Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#1962: Sep 22nd 2022 at 5:50:40 PM

[up] I like that idea, but I'm wondering if it would be better to do the renames after we cleanup those four subpages in case the others also need to be merged? Although maybe not that much work for a mod to do (they have a fancy button right?) so it doesn't matter? *shrug*

ETA: Also, now that I'm looking at it, the "Chainsaw Man" folder should probably be renamed to something like "Chainsaw Wielders" since it includes 3 different iterations of that enemy type.

Edited by Hello83433 on Sep 22nd 2022 at 8:52:43 AM

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1963: Sep 22nd 2022 at 5:58:25 PM

Admittedly, the name comes from the RE wiki, so there is some basis for that name even if there's different iterations of him.

I can go either way on when we make the moves, but whether it happens before or after cleanup doesn't really matter here since the mod tools keep the edit history intact. I guess it can wait after just in case the others get merged back as well.

Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#1964: Sep 23rd 2022 at 6:06:48 PM

Ah, got it. Then it'll stay that way.

I checked the Mold page and added my thoughts to my sandbox, but haven't yet had the chance to make the Sandbox page with the changes. A couple of trope examples I would like a second opinion on (commented in yellow). This page is large enough to keep, it just needs cleaning up, so we can go and rename that page now if we want.

Note: The Plaga page is still there and no action has been taken yet.

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1965: Sep 23rd 2022 at 6:14:32 PM

I'll go ahead and swap the Plagas page into the main Monsters index, then ask the mods to move the title for the Mold page since it will still be big enough post-cleanup. In that case, before we do any go-aheads on the Mold stuff, let's also tackle the Irregulars page just to clear up the "Parts" issue as fast as possible (I'm also gonna go ahead and just ask the mods to move the Mainstays title - pre-cleanup it's at 112K, and I truly can't see a world where it'll have to go, so we should be safe to move it)

Edit: Actually, I'm wrong. Looking at the pages, it'll fit best under Irregulars. On the other hand, that's an added 26K we know will stay after cleanup, so that page will almost certainly be good to stay as well.

Basically, here's what I think the agenda should be:

  • I think we're good to ask for the Mod page moves - from the looks of it, Plagas is the only page that's gonna have to go, so the other three should be good to move.
  • Move the Plagas to Irregulars and cutlist the original page.
  • Check out the Irregulars page for the misuse and clean it up.

EDIT 2: I had to reformat the page a bit, but the Plagas are on the Irregulars and I'll submit the Plagas page to the cutlist shortly

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Sep 23rd 2022 at 9:26:55 AM

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1966: Sep 24th 2022 at 1:06:21 AM

Granblue Fantasy Gran Djeeta

Been doing some proof reading on this. My GBF is a bit limited, so idk if I should wait for someone to give this page a second opinion before it can launch.

Character Specific Page cleanup
GoldenCityBird from the UK Since: Oct, 2018
#1967: Sep 24th 2022 at 7:50:37 AM

Way too many zero-context examples on that page.

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Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#1968: Sep 24th 2022 at 9:17:06 AM

Posted the sandbox for the Mold.

[up][up] I agree there's a lot of ZCEs so it shouldn't be launched yet. I also think the non-titled folder is a bit odd, normally the folders would be labelled with letters if the page were so long as to need folderization. (i.e. Tropes #-F, G-R, S-Z or whatever break is appropriate).

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1969: Sep 24th 2022 at 9:29:17 AM

Checking over your work on the Sandboxes, the changes you made all look good. I'm gonna wait a few more hours in case anyone else wants to add their thoughts, and if there are no further objections I'll go ahead and swap it in.

In the meantime, you're good to delete the Plaga stuff from your Sandbox - the swap's been done, so we might as well clear out the pipe [lol]

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Sep 24th 2022 at 12:29:48 PM

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1970: Sep 24th 2022 at 9:43:45 AM

[up][up]I usually don't number folders until most the clean up work is done.

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Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#1971: Sep 24th 2022 at 9:54:18 AM

[up][up] Got it, I’ll finish moving stuff to the RE4/RE5 main pages and then scrap it.

[up] oh, makes sense. Then yeah, just the ZCEs to work on. smile

Edited by Hello83433 on Sep 24th 2022 at 12:54:33 PM

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1972: Sep 24th 2022 at 11:41:48 AM

I've updated all the links on the RE pages and cutlisted the former titles as depreciated redirects. I don't know if the mods will accept or deny them but I guess we'll see.

RinneSharinganCatalyst 小柏 カイ from the ricefields Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
小柏 カイ
#1973: Sep 24th 2022 at 6:39:41 PM

Here's a small cleanup thread for Edelgard from Fire Emblem.

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Rhapsody Since: Jun, 2014
#1974: Sep 25th 2022 at 12:27:53 AM

I've noticed that someone branched off from the Lycoris Recoil character page to make separate pages for the main characters and antagonists. However:

The antagonist page should be merged back with the main page. I guess the "main characters" page can remain? (I have not checked if it's bloated with misuse/non-character tropes or not.)

[edit] As per advice below ([down]), I've turned the antagonist page into a redirect and moved the content back to the main page (should be now ~50,000 bytes).

Edited by Rhapsody on Sep 26th 2022 at 6:25:23 PM

Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#1975: Sep 25th 2022 at 11:54:32 AM

[up] I did a quick lookthrough of the main characters page and, while I did see some narrative tropes that should be moved, it doesn't appear to be enough to reduce the page below 40K. The antagonists' page should be merged back though.

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