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Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.

The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.


This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:

  • Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
  • Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
  • Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
  • Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
  • Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.

Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.

If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.

Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.


We also have some more general threads for character page help -
  • Character Page Cleanup: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
  • Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
  • Character pages for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have a dedicated thread here.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
    Text of original pinned post 
There are several persistent issues with the quality of Character Specific Pages. Now that there are official requirements for creating new pages, this thread can be hub for cleaning up pages with issues or that don't qualify. The requirements settled on are as follows, and its recommended that a page meet two or more to stand on its own:

  1. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
  2. The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
  3. A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note 
  4. The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
  5. A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.

Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.

Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.

If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on May 28th 2024 at 8:53:56 PM

Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#1851: Aug 15th 2022 at 4:54:55 PM

Unless you can point to the images are locked to the pick em’ threads by default, I’ve been changing the images for the Resident Evil sheets as I’ve been going along due to the lack of lock warnings on existing pages; I started watching out for those since I reconstructed the BCS/BB sheets.

Also, what “tons of problems” besides that?

I can easily non-artificially fatten Birkin’s page with more trivia but I halted for a moment because I thought he was good as it is.

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Aug 15th 2022 at 4:57:03 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1852: Aug 15th 2022 at 4:56:04 PM

Sung, you're not supposed to change any images if the page already has one, not just if it's locked or if there's a comment. Which other images did you change?

RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#1853: Aug 15th 2022 at 4:59:07 PM

[up][up][up]I honestly think it's safe to cut it.

Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#1854: Aug 15th 2022 at 5:00:11 PM

For starters, relax on the antagonistic tone (STARCRUSHER) since nothing I’ve done is with bad or selfish intent in mind. Since I rewrote and reconstructed the previously bare-bones sheets on the new pages top to bottom before publishing today, I’ll post an entire foldered change log in the next 30 minute span.

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Aug 15th 2022 at 5:01:45 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1855: Aug 15th 2022 at 5:01:40 PM

I'm not saying you're doing anything with selfish intent, but changing any image is against the rules, and each one you changed means another image that has to go through an Image Pickin thread. It's more work for me, hence why I'm a little annoyed.

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1856: Aug 15th 2022 at 5:03:14 PM

Also if you need to check byte count, there's plenty of applications online to do that rather than needing to ask every time.

Character Specific Page cleanup
RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#1857: Aug 15th 2022 at 5:05:01 PM

[up](x3) It didn't come off as antagonistic to me.

Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#1858: Aug 15th 2022 at 5:34:28 PM

    07-29- 2022 through 8-15-2022 (Resident Evil editorial changelog) 
  • Umbrella Character sheet made
  • Oswell E. Spencer (moved from Resident Evil 5 page, grammar checked, new descriptions/tropes added, standard quality control)
  • James Marcus (moved from Resident Evil 0 page, grammar checked, new descriptions/tropes added, standard quality control; headline image changed)
  • Edward Ashford (moved from Code Veronica page, massive misinformation cleanup)
  • NEW: Brandon Bailey character folder

  • Sergei Vladimir (moved from Umbrella Chronicles sheet, general quality control/updates as aforementioned, a secondary image added to illustrate monster form
  • William Birkin (moved from Resident Evil 2; massive entry despite trimming and quality control brought the subject of being cut into a separate page; headline image changed to accommodate size template for added 5 new images depicting monster forms (previously absent)
  • Nathaniel Bard (moved from Resident Evil 3 character sheet; no changes besides an added image (previously none)
  • Alex Wesker (moved from Resident Evil: Revelations 2 character sheet; general quality control, updates; a new image that is specifically a cropped one of the previous image is to accomodate the 3 new images depicting her alternate mutations/forms
  • Alfred Ashford (moved from Code: Veronica sheet; general quality control/updates; image changed to Darkside Chronicles depiction)
  • NEW: John Clemens folder
  • Vincent Goldman (next to no changes other than small quality of life edits)
  • Morpheus D. Duvall (Pulled from Survivor/Dead Aim sheets; transparent image of old (which had a black background) added; two sub-images to depict forms; general quality of life changes/updates)

  • Alexia Ashford (pulled from Code: Veronica page; heavy quality of life changes; image headliner changed to accommodate size ratios of two new sub-images depicting monster forms
  • Alexander Ashford (pulled from Code: Veronica page; added both a headline image and sub-image for monster form; minor quality of life edits/updates)
  • Annette Birkin (pulled from Resident Evil 2 page; moderate quality of life changes/QCL control; headline image changed)
  • Frederic Downing (pulled from Resident Evil Degeneration page; headline image changed; minor quality control)
  • Yoko Suzuki (description and folder copied from Resident Evil Outbreak page to accommodate Umbrella history; no changes otherwise)
  • Linda Baldwin, Carter, Monica, Greg Mueller (pulled from Resident Evil Outbreak page; extremely minor text edits
  • NEW Dr. Cameron character folder

  • The Red Queen (pulled from Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles; no changes otherwise)
  • Brian Irons (pulled from Resident Evil 2 page with the intent of a descriptor redirect from the latter; headline image changed; deleted Darkside Chronicles sub-image; massive quality control to reduce excess/YMMV entries, etc)
  • NEW Patrick character folder
  • NEW Stuart character folder
  • NEW The Keeper character folder
  • Rodrigo (pulled from Resident Evil: Code Veronica; no changes otherwise)
  • NEW Schizophrenic doctor character folder

Keep in mind, that while this is a pretty meaty summarization, the edits to text and structure even images notwithstanding have been absolutely massive in scope. There's a lot to talk about if it's needed, but I think it's been fine considering this has been a solo effort in the mentioned time frame.

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Aug 15th 2022 at 5:35:59 AM

DoctorSleep Since: Nov, 2013
#1859: Aug 15th 2022 at 9:44:40 PM

Monster Verse Mechagodzilla is at 49,961 bytes. Since the original MonsterVerse - King Ghidorah is well over 100,000 bytes without him on it, we can probably separate the two now. Before I do that, I just want to put to a vote if Ghidorah's skull should stay on his page or be moved to Mechagodzilla's?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1860: Aug 15th 2022 at 9:51:14 PM

[up] Didn't we discuss that before. I'm fine with it but keep the head with Ghidorah.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#1862: Aug 16th 2022 at 3:48:46 AM

So I'm responsible for the creation of at least 10+ character sheets and pages in the years I've worked on those. All but up to the Birkin sheet today were approved for clearance for reference.

Can I request them all to be deleted and reinstated with the old pages before I instated them, even if they go years back?

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Aug 16th 2022 at 3:49:28 AM

bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#1863: Aug 16th 2022 at 3:49:47 AM

No. You can't delete the pages just because you're the original creator.

2025: the year it all ends?
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#1864: Aug 16th 2022 at 3:52:35 AM

Every edit is considered community effort, anyone can pick up whatever anyone did. Unless you're requesting something I've misunderstood.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#1865: Aug 16th 2022 at 4:05:39 AM

Then that's that for what I asked I suppose.

But also, then you understand people can make mistakes or miscommunicate in some respects, yes?

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Aug 16th 2022 at 4:14:56 AM

The10thGeek Mysterious Fan from Somewhere in England Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Mysterious Fan
#1866: Aug 16th 2022 at 1:28:26 PM

Now hear me out but I was wondering, now that Better Call Saul has concluded, shouldn’t the character pages for both shows be jointly merged together or not…?

Edited by The10thGeek on Aug 16th 2022 at 9:30:16 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1867: Aug 16th 2022 at 1:32:11 PM

I say give it a week post-finale before we try to tackle that beast - that way, the post-show furor will have died down a bit and we can work in peace instead of having a bunch of people all jumping in to help and messing things up a bit.

Furygildeman Since: Nov, 2017
#1868: Aug 16th 2022 at 7:41:50 PM

Okay Power Rangers: Recurring Characters Is live. Superfluous Folders in other pages have been emptied and now have links to this one

Edited by Furygildeman on Aug 16th 2022 at 7:43:05 AM

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#1869: Aug 17th 2022 at 1:08:25 AM

Formatting probably could of been done a bit better but it looks good.

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1870: Aug 17th 2022 at 7:30:01 PM

What are we going to do with William Birkin. Is his page big enough or not? I feel like it should be merged back.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1871: Aug 17th 2022 at 7:57:14 PM

It’s been merged back already

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1873: Aug 18th 2022 at 6:25:47 AM

Take it to the Cut List and file it for a cut.

Edited by Bullman on Aug 18th 2022 at 8:27:17 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Excessive-Menace Time to SLEEP from the Velvet Cage (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
Time to SLEEP
#1874: Aug 18th 2022 at 10:26:37 PM

So I'm planning on making character pages for Touma Kamijou and Accelerator. However, when these pages properly launch, I would have to move Shiage Hamazura's folder from A Certain Magical Index Protagonists to A Certain Magical Index Dark Side as his folder isn't large enough to get his own character page for now and the former page would likely be liquidated. Just saying this ahead of time just in case.

SING TO ME, LEND ME THE SONG OF BLASPHEMY
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#1875: Aug 18th 2022 at 10:29:12 PM

90k, 50k and 12k respectively. Makes sense to me.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

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