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Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.

The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.


This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:

  • Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
  • Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
  • Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
  • Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
  • Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.

Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.

If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.

Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.


We also have some more general threads for character page help -
  • Character Page Cleanup: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
  • Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
  • Character pages for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have a dedicated thread here.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
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There are several persistent issues with the quality of Character Specific Pages. Now that there are official requirements for creating new pages, this thread can be hub for cleaning up pages with issues or that don't qualify. The requirements settled on are as follows, and its recommended that a page meet two or more to stand on its own:

  1. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
  2. The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
  3. A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note 
  4. The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
  5. A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.

Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.

Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.

If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on May 28th 2024 at 8:53:56 PM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#1677: Jun 24th 2022 at 1:33:50 PM

Mods have a revert tool.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1678: Jun 25th 2022 at 8:56:27 PM

Is there a quick way to summon a mod here?

Character Specific Page cleanup
RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#1679: Jun 25th 2022 at 8:58:18 PM

[up]Kinda. You can put a "~" right next to their name and that should send them a notification telling them they were mentioned.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1680: Jun 25th 2022 at 9:07:13 PM

Really it's "~Tropers/Modname" that does it, just to be thorough

Edit: Lol, even typing that in sent a message to someone named "Modname" that doesn't exist [lol]

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 25th 2022 at 12:07:49 PM

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#1681: Jun 25th 2022 at 9:11:16 PM

Hollering is better than pinging a specific mod because more mods would see it. You can click the three dot drop down menu on every post and then send a holler.

I don't know what page you guys are talking about but I can revert it. I am not reverting all of the wicks though. You guys would have to do that yourselves.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 25th 2022 at 12:16:45 PM

Macron's notes
IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1682: Jun 25th 2022 at 9:27:44 PM

In that case just removing the page is fine if you can please

Edited by IkeaHan on Jun 25th 2022 at 9:27:55 AM

Character Specific Page cleanup
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#1683: Jun 25th 2022 at 9:29:57 PM

If you just need a page to be cut/deleted, you can Cut List it.

Macron's notes
RinneSharinganCatalyst 小柏 カイ from the ricefields Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
小柏 カイ
#1684: Jun 26th 2022 at 9:04:39 AM

The Boys (2019): Soldier Boy was made but it doesn't hit the byte mark.

Over 900 years, he shall recover his heartbeat. Over 90 years, he shall recover his intellect. Over 9 years, he shall recover his power.
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1686: Jun 29th 2022 at 1:05:14 PM

I was looking back at some of the CPS I made, specifically the Red Vs. Blue characters (I made Red vs. Blue - Felix [66,957 bytes] and Red vs. Blue - Locus [42,000 bytes]), but it turns out the page I split them both from was left a very small 29,271 bytes.

It appears they originally all belonged to Red vs. Blue - Charon Industries, so I was thinking we could just merge the space pirate page to that and keep the two CSP.

Edited by IkeaHan on Jun 29th 2022 at 1:05:21 AM

Character Specific Page cleanup
CrimsonShark Punk Rocker from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#1687: Jun 30th 2022 at 3:44:37 PM

[up] You can merge them back.

Regarding Soldier Boy, I was intending to create a character page for him, that is until someone else did it prematurely a few days ago (Of course, my intent was to bulk him up to the necessary byte size as well as double-checking on the page he's in to make sure things looked okay on both sides). As of writing this, he now has 40,150 bytes, and the character page regarding Supes in general is around 147,675 bytes. From here, I'm left with either two outcomes, so either I...

  • Create a Character Specific Page for Soldier Boy.
  • Create a page for Payback or just Supe Teams in general, provided the original page remains above 40,000 bytes.

Edited by CrimsonShark on Jun 30th 2022 at 11:46:10 AM

WHERE IS KRYPTO, I mean, WHERE IS THE DOG!!!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#1689: Jun 30th 2022 at 4:00:03 PM

I would say make the soldier boy page. I just did a byte count for payback and its at 57,520 bytes. Soldier Boy himself is at 40,185 bytes. So Payback is nowhere near large enough for its own section.

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1691: Jun 30th 2022 at 6:42:37 PM

Go for Supe teams first if you can

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#1692: Jun 30th 2022 at 10:28:00 PM

I dont think there are enough teams to justify a teams page atm. There is only payback, teenage kix which never actually appears, and young americans, with the same issue.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 30th 2022 at 10:28:09 AM

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1693: Jun 30th 2022 at 10:58:28 PM

I think that is more than enough. Like we have had similar pages with less Teams. Again unless making a teams page would leave the OG page to small making a character specific seems unnecessary when there is a simpler solution.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
DoctorSleep Since: Nov, 2013
#1694: Jun 30th 2022 at 11:43:15 PM

Lets wait and see if Soldier Boy gets any more growth. So far he's getting more focus than any other super that's not part of the Seven and the rest of his team are all dead now.

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#1695: Jul 1st 2022 at 3:44:24 AM

[up]Yeah. I think it can wait a week, and I'm saying this as one not known for patience.

I have an unrelated thing though. So it was recently revealed that Superman & Lois takes place on another earth from the prime arrowverse. While it saddens me that the Arrowverse is on its last legs, Thanks Covid and CW Sale, should the Superman and Lois Character pages be merged into one page?

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1696: Jul 1st 2022 at 3:50:37 AM

Probably. Something similar happened with the 90s Flash. Though that does make it hard as you have to separate Superman's tropes from only that show and the ones that are from the Arrowverse.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
CrimsonShark Punk Rocker from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#1697: Jul 1st 2022 at 4:10:35 AM

Given what's happened in the latest episode, yeah it's best to wait until the season finale before we can decide on what to do with Soldier Boy.


On another note, I recall that the Rogues Gallery Page of Batman has had an additional split to include the Central Rogues Gallery, and the same thing applies to Spider-Man and Daredevil as well. Permission to do this with Superman as well?

Regarding the characters to be listed, I'm thinking Lex Luthor, Brainiac, Mr. Mxyzptlk, General Zod, The Phantom Zone Criminals, Mongul, Cyborg-Superman, Doomsday, Bizarro, Darkseid, Lobo, Manchester Black, Atomic Skull, Bloodsport, Intergang, Livewire, Mercy Graves, Metallo, Parasite, Toyman, and Ultra-Humanite.

WHERE IS KRYPTO, I mean, WHERE IS THE DOG!!!
kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1698: Jul 1st 2022 at 6:36:24 AM

Welp, I think I found someone in Hololive ID who can get her own page to herself. hololive Indonesia - Generation Two Kureiji Ollie has 50,893 characters/50,899 bytes in her folder.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1699: Jul 1st 2022 at 6:59:20 AM

If the OG page would still be big enough, sure go ahead.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
DoctorSleep Since: Nov, 2013
#1700: Jul 3rd 2022 at 5:52:46 AM

Just a heads-up, I've made a sandbox for Stranger Things One if there's any chance at expansion on either of his two character folders. Right now it's just 3,000 bytes short of the minimum.


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