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Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.

The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.


This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:

  • Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
  • Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
  • Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
  • Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
  • Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.

Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.

If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.

Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.


We also have some more general threads for character page help -
  • Character Page Cleanup: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
  • Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
  • Character pages for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have a dedicated thread here.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
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There are several persistent issues with the quality of Character Specific Pages. Now that there are official requirements for creating new pages, this thread can be hub for cleaning up pages with issues or that don't qualify. The requirements settled on are as follows, and its recommended that a page meet two or more to stand on its own:

  1. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
  2. The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
  3. A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note 
  4. The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
  5. A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.

Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.

Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.

If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on May 28th 2024 at 8:53:56 PM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1651: Jun 19th 2022 at 5:27:31 PM

Those moves from your most recent post look fine. The X-Men Title Team is too long (probably why it was split up already) and the only things I’d combine at this point are the 10s-20s people - the other five you posted look like they’re good to go

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 19th 2022 at 8:33:31 AM

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#1652: Jun 19th 2022 at 5:58:23 PM

Im probably going to try and continue to crosswick the X-Men Characters to get a couple of more to 40K. That should cut down on bytes.

I thought about it and I'm going to merge the Time-Displaced O5 members with their original selves. That should get them over 40K.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 19th 2022 at 6:58:11 AM

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RallyBot2 (Elder Troper) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#1653: Jun 19th 2022 at 8:11:08 PM

[up]Hold off on that. Scott and Jean are over 40k and have their own pages already, while the other three won't reach that even if merged. The original team page is at 85k and in no danger of becoming too large.

[up][up]The 2020s page is a single character right now and it's a soft redirect. No sense in having such a page right now.

Edited by RallyBot2 on Jun 19th 2022 at 11:14:24 AM

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#1654: Jun 19th 2022 at 10:05:47 PM

I haven't done the majority yet. I did manage to do enough crosswicking so that with merging the time-displaced versions I created Marvel Comics: Angel at 40,717 Bytes and Marvel Comics: Beast at 40,135 bytes.

[up]Also soft redirects are a thing? that would have saved me alot of hardship.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 19th 2022 at 10:51:51 AM

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IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Furygildeman Since: Nov, 2017
#1656: Jun 21st 2022 at 12:13:25 PM

Cloned post. See below

Edited by Furygildeman on Jun 21st 2022 at 12:17:39 PM

Furygildeman Since: Nov, 2017
#1657: Jun 21st 2022 at 12:13:43 PM

I think some of the Character folders in X-Men: The Krakoan Age are superfluous since they apply to the exact same 616 characters. I think it would be more additive if they were in the folders at pages that apply to them. And leave the folders for that apply to the characters in the other lives of Moira. Same for X 23 Supporting Characters.

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1658: Jun 22nd 2022 at 12:03:05 AM

Nunu & Willump (41,687 bytes, Character-Specific Page?)

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1659: Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:00:24 AM

I mean that is two characters. So I don't see how that could be called a Character Specific Pages.

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#1660: Jun 22nd 2022 at 8:40:21 AM

They are basically single character gameplay-wise.

That being said, with so many character-specific pages being made for LoL, which seems to include some less-important characters like Nunu, it makes me want to wonder if the current system of splitting them is functional anymore considering the large roster of champions.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1661: Jun 22nd 2022 at 8:47:21 AM

Yeah game play doesn't matter. Are they two separate characters? Like the only reason we would increase those here are if they share an identity or are reincarnations of each other. Otherwise they are two separate people.

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Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#1662: Jun 22nd 2022 at 9:35:50 AM

[up] I don't think this makes sense. They're The Dividual not just in gameplay but their lore is completely unified. I don't think you can trope them separately

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1663: Jun 22nd 2022 at 9:40:31 AM

So is Mario and Luigi who share a page but aren't listed on this page. Bad Boys Mike And Marcus is the same as the above mentioned page and isn't mentioned on this indext. Ash and Picachu used to share a page and were often The Dividual. But at the time weren't listed here. This is for singular character pages not two characters who share one because they are so closely connected.

I am not saying that they shouldn't share a page. Just that they wouldn't be on this index.

Edited by Bullman on Jun 22nd 2022 at 11:44:17 AM

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Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#1664: Jun 22nd 2022 at 11:39:14 AM

I am not saying that they shouldn't share a page. Just that they wouldn't be on this index.

I thought you were saying they should be separated on a page, somehow. My bad, got confused, that makes sense

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IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1665: Jun 22nd 2022 at 12:56:50 PM

TPPR 10

I was a little worried too, but I've been keeping track of all the pages and their content, and most champions in the game likely don't have enough lore and game content to where I think it will constitute an issue with the number of CSP being too high. And with the pages we already do have, the number of CSP only makes up 16 out of 161 characters.

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IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1666: Jun 24th 2022 at 11:29:16 AM

Arcane: Silco (39,344, after adding the index)

Not sure about this one

Edited by IkeaHan on Jun 24th 2022 at 11:29:42 AM

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1667: Jun 24th 2022 at 11:39:19 AM

Merge it back. Unless the OG page is near breaking I don't see a reason to keep it.

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Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#1668: Jun 24th 2022 at 12:41:23 PM

so im gonna chime in and someone in a PM implied the go-ahead for Silco seemed acceptable via him being such a prominent character and having a word byte vastly exceeding the others on the Arcane page.

Just clarifying for why it was made/how for a review in progress.

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Jun 24th 2022 at 12:42:16 PM

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1669: Jun 24th 2022 at 1:03:10 PM

I should add a note in the main page for the byte requirement being for both the split off and original pages

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IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1670: Jun 24th 2022 at 1:03:38 PM

why do my messages keep getting double posted?

Edited by IkeaHan on Jun 24th 2022 at 1:05:51 AM

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1671: Jun 24th 2022 at 1:09:38 PM

[up][up][up] I don't think that holds wait. He is not more prominent than the other main characters and doesn't he die at the end of the first season.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#1672: Jun 24th 2022 at 1:11:05 PM

Uh. Tbf his character folder is larger byte wise. But I think that's because he's perhaps the most well-received character in the show.

We can split off when the whole thing gets too big.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1673: Jun 24th 2022 at 1:14:07 PM

[up]That'd be the preferred course of action

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1674: Jun 24th 2022 at 1:17:01 PM

I mean Jinx has far more than him so Idon'texpect that he has more than the others as enough for a page.

When he gets big enough or the page gets close to breaking we can talk about giving him a page,. Until merge back and implement Ikea Han's note idea.

Edited by Bullman on Jun 24th 2022 at 3:20:38 AM

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IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1675: Jun 24th 2022 at 1:20:21 PM

In the meantime, is there a way to quickly revert the page and edits for it? It's already been wicked on several pages

Edited by IkeaHan on Jun 24th 2022 at 1:20:44 AM

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