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Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.

The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.


This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:

  • Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
  • Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
  • Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
  • Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
  • Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.

Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.

If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.

Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.


We also have some more general threads for character page help -
  • Character Page Cleanup: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
  • Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
  • Character pages for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have a dedicated thread here.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
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There are several persistent issues with the quality of Character Specific Pages. Now that there are official requirements for creating new pages, this thread can be hub for cleaning up pages with issues or that don't qualify. The requirements settled on are as follows, and its recommended that a page meet two or more to stand on its own:

  1. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
  2. The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
  3. A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note 
  4. The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
  5. A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.

Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.

Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.

If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on May 28th 2024 at 8:53:56 PM

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#1576: Jun 4th 2022 at 12:52:35 AM

I would honestly say based on the formatting, and with Stark Industries, Pym Technologies, and Rand Enterprises all being hubs for only a few characters, that with or without creating the avengers allies page that they should all be merged back into the main companies page.

Also i'm pretty sure that Pym Technologies doesn't even exist anymore. And even if it does, there are only the Pyms, Darren Cross who is on the other supervillains page, and Frank who died almost immediatly and has three tropes.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 4th 2022 at 12:54:47 PM

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1577: Jun 4th 2022 at 2:17:48 PM

Okay, so I've done some byte counting.

First of all, the Rand company page is actually too short to begin with, so it'll need merged back anyway (it's only at 31,000, while the home page is at 173,000 so it can take the extra amount). With that in mind, the Stark Industries page (at around 54,000 even after the migrations to the Allies page) would make the page too big if it got merged back, so it has to stay. However, there's what to do with the Pym family. The Pym Tech page is just long enough to justify its existence, buuuuuuuut when Hank, Janet, and Hope combined come out to close to 60,000 bytes, it honestly might just make more sense to make MCU: Pym Family and shove the three of them there instead.

So, in summary, here's my plan - the three Pyms would get their own page (presumably indexed under Avengers, maybe a three-star under Allies), Rand and Pym's company pages could be folded back into the main one, SI would stay where it is, then, if there are no objections, MCU Avengers Allies can then be made live.

Any objections to this plan? I feel like this solves all the problems at once.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 4th 2022 at 5:18:22 AM

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#1578: Jun 4th 2022 at 4:33:16 PM

Something feels off for me. But I think that’s just me looking into it too much. I think the plan works great, the only worry I have is the pyms are only three folders. Irregardless of length, three characters isn’t really enough for a singular page is it?

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 4th 2022 at 7:28:36 AM

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1580: Jun 4th 2022 at 4:36:33 PM

I mean, if we can have single character pages or pages like Mario and Luigi's for duos, I don't see why three for a family should be an issue in concept

So in the end, the header on the top of Avengers Allies would look like this:

Main Character Index > Heroic Organizations > The Avengers > Iron Man | Captain America | Thor | The Hulk | Black Widow | Hawkeye | War Machine | Bucky Barnes | Falcon | Scarlet Witch | The Vision | Ant-Man | Spider-Man (Spider-Man Variants) | Captain Marvel | Allies (The Pym Family)

Edit: I've now drafted the page. How's it look, we ready to make the swaps?

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 9th 2022 at 2:58:00 PM

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#1581: Jun 4th 2022 at 7:29:37 PM

Ok I guess that makes sense. I say it all looks good.

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1582: Jun 4th 2022 at 10:10:50 PM

Alright - not gonna do it tonight cause I'm tired, but I'll do the following when I wake up:

  • Make the Avengers Allies and Pym Family pages live - cut/redirect the information on other pages as appropriate
  • Fold RE and PT into the Companies page and make the old ones redirects

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#1583: Jun 5th 2022 at 6:08:45 AM

Ok so I took a second look at the Avengers Allies, and the only thing im wondering is why War Machine is there, even as a link. He's a full on avenger, isn't he already covered under the general avengers umbrella?

Also I was thinking of the Wakanda page, should it be renamed to just MCU Wakanda? I'm asking because Asgard is just under MCU: Asgard, I think it matches the formatting of other locations, and not asking caused this whole mess in the first place.

Also I want to add the Russia page to the list. Should it be MCU Russia?

And again, I keep adding to this, how about a MCU Sokovia? That would help shorten some pages.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 5th 2022 at 6:12:12 AM

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#1584: Jun 5th 2022 at 6:58:03 AM

I feel like the MCU pages are getting to the point that it is better to start a new thread about how to organize them rather than keep the whole discussion to this thread.

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#1585: Jun 5th 2022 at 7:01:08 AM

You know what, yes, MCU organizational questions take more and more of this thread so it should be own Project.

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CrimsonShark Punk Rocker from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#1586: Jun 5th 2022 at 7:08:22 AM

So Saw: Mark Hoffman is a thing, though it's around 24,619 bytes.

While short, I should note that Saw is a pretty big franchise and Hoffman plays a major role in around 4 of the films. I would advocate seeing if anyone around is willing enough to add more content till it reaches 40K bytes. Though I won't object with merging it back to Saw: Jigsaw and Accomplices if either nobody is willing to expand on Hoffman's page, or they simply think he's better off there instead.

[down] 37K bytes is pretty close to 40K, so wouldn't it be better to see if anyone around is willing to expand on Bellatrix's page. In addition, the page where she comes from, Harry Potter – Death Eaters, is pretty large itself (it's at around 155,209 bytes as of writing this) and editing already big pages can be annoying as the edit page can occasionally freeze for a bit when editing.

Edited by CrimsonShark on Jun 5th 2022 at 3:19:21 PM

WHERE IS KRYPTO, I mean, WHERE IS THE DOG!!!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1587: Jun 5th 2022 at 7:09:00 AM

So someone made Harry Potter – Bellatrix Lestrange. However it needs to be merged back as she's only 37,831 bytes. I would but I am on mobile for awhile after my computer got broke. So could someone else.

[up] It's not close enough for me to feel comfortable keeping when pages over the limit don't have one. If the OG page is two big make a different one. Like Voldemort's inner circle on its own would be big enough.

Merge Hoffman back.

Edited by Bullman on Jun 5th 2022 at 10:41:57 AM

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CrimsonShark Punk Rocker from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#1588: Jun 5th 2022 at 8:54:24 AM

[up] Harry Potter – Death Eaters (Inner Circle)

Apologies if this is premature as I thought I was making a sandbox page. Regardless, it stocks up to around 101,121 bytes, so I guess the original page remains large enough.

Hoffman's page is now a redirect.

[down] Index cleaning is done and Bellatrix's page is now a redirect.

Edited by CrimsonShark on Jun 5th 2022 at 5:22:41 PM

WHERE IS KRYPTO, I mean, WHERE IS THE DOG!!!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Androne-5 Since: Feb, 2014
#1590: Jun 5th 2022 at 4:01:05 PM

So I was checking The Owl House's "Other" character page, and it's at around 174,598 bytes. The Collector on their own has 43,584 bytes, and removing them would leave it at 131,011 bytes.

However, there's only three specials left in the Owl House, and The Collector might get a boost in tropes from there... maybe.

Can a page be made for them now, or do we wait for Season 3 to air?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1591: Jun 5th 2022 at 4:10:54 PM

I think we are good to make one now.

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IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1592: Jun 9th 2022 at 11:40:55 AM

Danganronpa Shuichi Saihara

Someone made this without checking the byte count or updating any of the CSP indexes. I'd appreciate if someone could revert it

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1593: Jun 9th 2022 at 12:29:38 PM

Alright, real life stuff got in the way, but I've done the moves I said I would. Now just to clean all the wicks and that all should be able to rest.

Also, to respond to the stuff here - I don't think any of those are necessary yet. Asgard's page lists everything from their government to random civilians, including people from AOS like the professor posing as human and Lorelei, who's a prisoner. Wakanda and Russia's pages currently only have their governments and militaries, so there's no need to change the names because they're technically covering separate things - if they get civilians at some point, we can move the page. I also don't see a need for a Sokovia page because nothing's currently giving a too-long warning and I don't want to create any more pages unless something causes a fuss.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 9th 2022 at 3:44:57 PM

DoctorSleep Since: Nov, 2013
#1594: Jun 9th 2022 at 7:27:23 PM

Since we're back on the topic of the MCU, Nick Fury has enough bytes to warrant his own page if we include his SUV from the SHIELD page. He's also got at least three more upcoming appearances, so he'll inevitably get longer.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1595: Jun 9th 2022 at 7:40:20 PM

I'm once more really gonna advocate that we don't make any new pages until a page reaches the too-long warning. Between how many pages we already have and how much chaos it is just trying to keep the pages we do have under control, I really don't want to add another to the batch until we absolutely have to right now.

And, final note - I've cleaned all the wicks from the last batch of moves, so I believe that all the wicks are now pointing to the right places

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 9th 2022 at 10:48:47 AM

Mimic45 Since: Feb, 2017
#1596: Jun 10th 2022 at 2:55:33 PM

I have a suggestion regarding the MCU-Allies page. Shouldn't Goose be added to Captain Marvel's allies? I mean okay, it's not a human being, but neither are J.A.R.V.I.S. or F.R.I.D.A.Y....

(BTW, speaking of those two, am I the only one who think it's weird that they are not on the Iron Man page whereas Karen and Edith are on Spider-Man's?)

Edited by Mimic45 on Jun 10th 2022 at 11:57:15 AM

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#1597: Jun 10th 2022 at 4:57:19 PM

Does MCU cleanup need to be its own channel?..

Edited by IkeaHan on Jun 10th 2022 at 4:57:29 AM

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GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#1598: Jun 10th 2022 at 6:06:02 PM

[up]Probably.

[up][up]That's a good point. Until otherwise decided, following the formatting, Both A.I.'s should probably be added to MCU: Iron Man. Although there is the chance it makes the page too long.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 11th 2022 at 5:42:27 AM

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1599: Jun 10th 2022 at 6:46:52 PM

I can tell just from eyeballing it that it would probably make the page too long. I’d instead argue that KAREN should be moved off of Peter’s page into the Allies instead - her being on his page never made much sense to me to begin with.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#1600: Jun 11th 2022 at 6:54:02 AM

Yeah just move the Karen and the other AI off of the Spider-Man page.

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