Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
The Formatter
Hey so I'm looking at Characters.Breaking Bad and Characters.Better Call Saul. Should they be merged together like the Karate Kid/Cobra Kai situation?
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The Moron
That would be an absolute nightmare to try to deal with thanks to the sheer amount of overlap between shows (even one-shot nobodies overlap between the two shows) as well as the shifting alliances between and even during shows. I'm personally inclined to say no.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on May 21st 2022 at 12:36:48 PM
The Formatter
I feel the same way tbh. I'd like them to be merged but as you said it would be a nightmare. I thought id bring it up though.
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The Formatter
Hey should Gorr the God Butcher be moved to Characters.MCU Other Supervillains? Right now he’s on the other section of Characters.MCU Cosmic. I feel if he doesn't have a section then he should be moved to cosmic supervillains or something.
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Sure why not, move him there.
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The Formatter
Ok. I’m just not sure what to do with the black berserkers since they are tied to Gorr.
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Maybe the Black Berserkers’ folder can be placed underneath Gorr’s?
The Formatter
I don’t think the berserkers count as supervillains though. I’m not even sure what they are. They could be symbiotes created by the necrosword
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May I ask if we think it's worth creating Fullmetal Alchemist Alphonse Elric? It seems kinda strange to have Fullmetal Alchemist: Brothers when only one character is in it and I thought exceptions were made if a character didn't real a real "list" page to go under?
The Moron
Actually, looking at the byte counts, we actually need to move Edward back to the Brothers page - he's got more than enough bytes (52,000), but the page without him is only at around 23,000, which is too small on its own. I'm not sure when it was made or why, but I think we need to just move him back and then the Brothers' page will be consistent.
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Maybe the page was created when it was just one or two character pages for the whole series. It wasn't necessarily split from the Brothers page.
Franchouchou Sponsor
I made the page long ago before the guidelines for CSP were put in place. It was overlooked because the page met the byte count, but was apparently never reviewed for leaving the page it spilt from too short.
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
In that case merge Edward into the Brother's page.
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Welp, seems Final Fantasy XIV - Ascians is due for a new section, this time on Elidibus. I clocked it at 40,602 characters.
The Formatter
Was there a consensus reached on Gorr and the black berserkers?
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The Formatter
Donna Strange was added to Characters.MCU United States Citizens. I'm pretty sure that Doctor Strange was born in New York and Lived there all his life. Should his sister be moved to Characters.MCU Citizens New York City? Also should the page be renamed to Characters.MCU New York City, removing the Citizens from it?
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Better question. What tropes could you get from a character who is only mentioned once? Other wise yes move her and rename it.
Edited by Bullman on May 27th 2022 at 8:47:09 AM
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Just want to let you guys know that someone created a page for MCU’s Arthur Harrow out of the blue.
The Moron
Great - I’m on mobile right now, is someone able to merge that back?
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I am on mobile. Could someone please merge it back?
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
So I am back on my computer but before I go through the work of merging it back. Do we want to keep Harrow's page? I don't want another Vulture situation.
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The Moron
I didn't see a reason to make it before and I don't see a reason to keep it now. If his original page gets too big, we can move it then
Also, while I'm at it, personally I say keep the God Butcher on the Cosmic page for now, at least until the movie gets released. He's a Cosmic character for all we know at the moment so he should at least stay there until we see the movie and know what's going on there, especially if he's got a faction attached to him that wouldn't fit on the other supervillains page.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on May 27th 2022 at 7:07:41 AM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Okay merged back and Cut Listed.
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The Formatter
Donna Strange has been moved. If anyone wants to do anything else with the character, She is now on MCU: Citizens – New York City
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I say revert it, then merge the lost content back, and the make the page a redirect. No need to have a page that is not long enough and from an upcoming work.
Edited by Bullman on May 21st 2022 at 10:11:38 AM
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