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Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.

The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.


This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:

  • Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
  • Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
  • Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
  • Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
  • Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.

Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.

If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.

Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.


We also have some more general threads for character page help -
  • Character Page Cleanup: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
  • Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
  • Character pages for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have a dedicated thread here.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
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There are several persistent issues with the quality of Character Specific Pages. Now that there are official requirements for creating new pages, this thread can be hub for cleaning up pages with issues or that don't qualify. The requirements settled on are as follows, and its recommended that a page meet two or more to stand on its own:

  1. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
  2. The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
  3. A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note 
  4. The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
  5. A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.

Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.

Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.

If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on May 28th 2024 at 8:53:56 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#601: Nov 4th 2021 at 1:10:35 PM

With Lex. What's the byte count if we split from Luthor and associates?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
CrimsonShark Punk Rocker from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#602: Nov 4th 2021 at 1:16:39 PM

[up] The Luthor Family page is around 96,196 Bytes.

So by my estimations...

96,196 - 53,316 = 42,880

Lex covers at least more than half of the page, if slightly, though the page itself is still large with what it has without Lex.

Humorously enough and maybe worth a mention, but Lena Luthor's character page has less bytes than Lex's at around 46,756 Bytes.

Edited by CrimsonShark on Nov 4th 2021 at 8:17:05 AM

WHERE IS KRYPTO, I mean, WHERE IS THE DOG!!!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#603: Nov 4th 2021 at 1:42:42 PM

Well when I actually made the Lana page Lex had less. I figure that is big if removed though, if would have been bellow 40,000 I wouldn't have been less sure. I don't know what to do about both Laurels but I will leave that up to you.

Edited by Bullman on Nov 4th 2021 at 8:18:57 AM

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bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#605: Nov 5th 2021 at 12:46:28 AM

I suspect the best option for Laurel Lance is to have all versions of her share a page.

On a similar note, what should be done with Harrison Wells? The Wellses combined probably don't hit 40k, but he's clogging up Arrowverse: Other Earths to such an extent that we might want to consider him a "group of characters" in his own right.

EDIT: The Wellses combined (on the Team Flash page alone, so not even counting the Other Earths Wellses) are at 70,000 bytes, making him eligible for a page.

Edited by bwburke94 on Nov 5th 2021 at 3:50:33 PM

2025: the year it all ends?
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#606: Nov 6th 2021 at 9:09:57 AM

Question: Star Wars: The Old Republic - Sith Emperor isn't big enough, but should we allow it the same way we allow Solaris?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#607: Nov 6th 2021 at 9:19:56 AM

I mean how close is it? Would it be hard to place on it's OG page?

Edited by Bullman on Nov 6th 2021 at 11:20:43 AM

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#608: Nov 6th 2021 at 12:45:13 PM

When I open the folders and select all, it's 36k characters, so probably less.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#609: Nov 6th 2021 at 1:07:39 PM

Looking through my tool it's 33,253 bytes. I am not sure if it's needed like Solaris is technically 3 characters. And this is two. I don't see a reason for it to be kept personally but I would be willing to hear other opinions.

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#610: Nov 7th 2021 at 7:09:08 AM

So is it being merged, or are we keeping it? Need to know whether to use that character page for the CM entry or not.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#611: Nov 7th 2021 at 2:06:39 PM

Thinking about it. I am going with a keep though that could just be me.

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GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#612: Nov 7th 2021 at 8:23:40 PM

Arrowverse: Lex Luthor has been created with all pages updated accordingly.

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#613: Nov 7th 2021 at 8:44:37 PM

ACW: I added Star Wars: The Old Republic - Sith Emperor to the byte check and noted that it covered multiple incarnations. I say you are good to go unless anyone disagrees.

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IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#614: Nov 8th 2021 at 12:30:03 PM

I wanted to see if it was possible to give Jinx/Powder her own page, combining tropes from across her media appearances for one definitive character page.

League Of Legends Jinx (bytes count:40,062)

Edited by IkeaHan on Nov 8th 2021 at 12:30:09 PM

Character Specific Page cleanup
NghtFury95 Since: Feb, 2019
#615: Nov 8th 2021 at 3:33:05 PM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/7942c71e_ba10_4130_89f3_a12946ea1e3f.jpeg

Does anybody know how to add the colon symbol between the “Arrowverse” and the “Sara Lance” in the “Character Specific Pages Byte Check” page? I tried to change it using Wiki Word on the Sara Lance page but nothing has worked and seeing this minor inconsistency compared to the rest Arrowverse characters has been making me cringe with irritance for some time.

RinneSharinganCatalyst 小柏 カイ from the ricefields Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
小柏 カイ
#616: Nov 8th 2021 at 3:35:28 PM

Did you recently suggest it in the Wiki Word? If so, give it time. It usually takes like days or so for a finalized custom title.

Over 900 years, he shall recover his heartbeat. Over 90 years, he shall recover his intellect. Over 9 years, he shall recover his power.
NghtFury95 Since: Feb, 2019
#617: Nov 8th 2021 at 4:30:26 PM

I did make the request on Wikiword several days ago, only to somehow have the request denied hours after the request was made.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#618: Nov 12th 2021 at 10:59:17 AM

Someone made a page for Lotso.

I added it to Character Specific Pages Byte Check. Now I don't mind doing that but can we by chance link it somewhere as I would appreciate if the people who made the page would add them to the sandbox

Edited by Bullman on Nov 12th 2021 at 12:59:48 PM

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PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#619: Nov 16th 2021 at 1:11:56 PM

Bumping this ATT. A 0 Z 1 E 4 R 7 has made unilateral changes to the structure of Characters.Undertale, affecting Characters.Undertale Mettaton and Characters.Undertale King Asgore Dreemurr. You can see that the latter has already been cut, and the former is on the cutlist.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Nov 16th 2021 at 4:12:34 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#620: Nov 16th 2021 at 1:19:29 PM

We decided to keep those a while ago. I think we only decided one was not big enough to keep. I say remake the old one.

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Orbiting Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#621: Nov 16th 2021 at 10:28:30 PM

I've asked for a mod to restore the page and to revert the chsnges made to another page altered by the troper, but it seems like there's a bunch of issues with the mod tools right now. I'm hesitant to remake it myself, because there's nothing stopping A0Z1E4R7 from just cutting it again.

PikaRobo Since: May, 2011
#622: Nov 24th 2021 at 8:45:06 AM

On the main index, I feel like Ganon(dorf) should be moved to Legacy Characters like he was originally. While it’s true MOST of the time he’s the same character (just looking different every game) in The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures, it’s confirmed that the Ganondorf in that game was a separate person, but became evil and a new Ganon anyway. It’s only one game as far as we know but that should be enough for a move, maybe a note explaining that.

Thoughts?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
FuzzyBarbarian Since: Jan, 2017
#624: Nov 24th 2021 at 9:02:42 PM

Hi all, I accidentally went against this forum thread. I saw that Power Rangers Tommy Oliver was weirdly cross-media, cross-continuity and across the entire franchise, even having stuff for his Evil Counterpart and his multiple appearances. I put the folders back on their appropriate character pages (Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers (Boom! Studios): Rangers, Power Rangers (2017), etc.) because every single alternate version had a character page already and it was really weird to me that they were all under the same folder for no reason (we don't do cross-media, cross-continuity character sheets for anything else, barring using them as an index, e.g. Batman: The Joker doesn't have separate folders for all his appearnces ever, it just indexes them, which is a holdover from The Great Comic Book Namespace Cleanup of the 2020s).

I didn't know this was actually okayed by this thread until I checked to see why this was done in the edit reasons, and I apologise for that.

But also, should the merged page even be a thing? It looked messier that way and it's weird that one character in the franchise gets this when others who have also appeared in multiple media and continuities don't. Making it consistent across the entire franchise would only add to the messiness and add a ton of redirects for no reason. On Ask the Tropers, two people seem to agree that it should be kept to only Tommy's TV appearances, and I agree, since that is the same character outright across multiple shows, as opposed to all his appearances ever.

Edited by FuzzyBarbarian on Nov 25th 2021 at 4:03:51 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#625: Nov 24th 2021 at 9:08:59 PM

Without them the Tommy page needs to be cut as it's not long enough. So we either move them back or cut the page as the page isn't 40,000 bytes, which is the minim it needs.

Here is where it was brought up by the way.

Edited by Bullman on Nov 24th 2021 at 11:17:31 AM

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