Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
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I see. Well in that case, the other two pages won't really miss much, considering they are likely to be having 100,000+ bytes to begin with.
Speaking of One-Punch Man, the only way Saitama is getting his own character page is if Genos is moved to the S-Class Heroes Page, but I don't think a common consensus was reached. There is an alternate option to include a series of other main characters into the Main Characters Page like King, Hellish Blizzard, Speed o-Sound Sonic, and Garou into that page, but I guess not many people would be keen on that idea either.
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I wouldn't mind separating Genos to the S-Class page, I guess its how can I rename the page to just Saitama without needing to cut it.
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- Characters.Cerberus High Another Story Eden Blumenthal (8,075 bytes)
- Merged and waiting to be cut.
- Characters.Cerberus High Kazuki Akai (20,905 bytes)
- Merged and waiting to be cut.
- Characters.Cerberus High Rouge Bellerose (11,906 bytes)
- Merged and waiting to be cut.
In the MCU Guardians of the Galaxy Character page, the folders that focus on Nebula and her two Variants who appeared in “What If…?” are 42,161 bytes in total. The rest of the MCU Guardians of the Galaxy Character page is well over 40,000 bytes, so perhaps it is time for Nebula to have her own individual character page.
Edited by NghtFury95 on Oct 29th 2021 at 8:16:09 AM
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Sure. Go ahead.
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Is there a reason why Michael Myers has all continuities, while Jason Voorhes and Freddy Krueger don't include the Freddy vs. Jason incarnations?
EDIT: Come to think of it, Jason's page should probably ALSO include his Friday the 13th (2009) incarnation.
Edited by ACW on Nov 1st 2021 at 7:52:52 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
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The pages happened to have been created that way. Don't think too much into it — you can merge them if you want to.
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And done.
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A page I am thinking of making Zaheer from Legend of Korra is 41,579 bytes and even when removed his page would be 121,154 bytes.
Also Gellert Grindelwald is technically long enough at 59,758 bytes and takes up most of the page. The only reason I won't make a page is that with out him the OG page would be 24,624 bytes.
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MCU: Ronan the Accuser has been made at 37,818 bytes. Close enough or cut it?
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Cut it in my opinion. If there was another movie or something I would be cool with it. but there is not, so cut it.
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I mean, he appears in multiple instalments, and he is very close to the page minimum, so I don't object if he is kept.
Rawr.
The Dragon
Cut Ronan.
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Unrelated, but from Star Wars, Finn, Tarkin, and Qi'ra can get their own pages at 47,982, 45,665, and 51,690 respectively.
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How big are their OG pages? If they are big enough, I say they could be into a page.
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Apparently someone already made a Star Wars – Wilhuff Tarkin page.
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Right, sorry, that was me. Their og pages are all long enough.
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Nov 3rd 2021 at 4:59:22 AM
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Oh okay. I should have looked at the edit history. Either way. Good job on the the page. Please don't forget to add them here and here. I took care of Tarkin's bytes for you.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 3rd 2021 at 7:06:13 AM
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Also something weird has happened I have been getting more bytes when I checked my byte counter. So I checked and for Ronan I got 39,210 bytes. I am using the one linked on the main page. So are you using a different one or something? Because I am worried there might be a problem on my end.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 3rd 2021 at 7:35:41 AM
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Still using the "mothereff" one, still getting 37k — though it's about 400 bytes shorter than what I got before.
... Yeah, no idea what's going on here.
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Huh. Can someone else check and see what they get.
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Smaug’s folder - ~40,167 bytes.
Smaug’s folder (tropes only) - ~39,027 bytes.
The rest of the “Middle Earth Film: Independent Villains” page without Smaug’s folder - ~51,794 bytes.
Should Smaug have his own individual character page or not just yet?
Edited by NghtFury95 on Nov 3rd 2021 at 6:16:20 AM
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If your calculations are correct. Sure.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadDoing an Arrowverse character byte check because why not?
Here are the results for who can probably get their own page and I feel like I could only find two to be eligible...
- Earth 1 Laurel Lance - 61,471 Bytes
- Lex Luthor - 53,316 Bytes
That said, there is a contention with Earth 2 Laurel also having her own page as Dinah Laurel Lance, so I don't know how we can resolve the issue. Perhaps we can rename Earth 2 Laurel's page, but I'll have to wait and see
Edited by CrimsonShark on Nov 4th 2021 at 8:11:21 AM
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Also be mindful that the page you take them from should also still be able to have enough content left to justify splitting off folders.
Character Specific Page cleanup