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Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.

The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.


This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:

  • Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
  • Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
  • Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
  • Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
  • Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.

Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.

If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.

Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.


We also have some more general threads for character page help -
  • Character Page Cleanup: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
  • Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
  • Character pages for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have a dedicated thread here.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
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There are several persistent issues with the quality of Character Specific Pages. Now that there are official requirements for creating new pages, this thread can be hub for cleaning up pages with issues or that don't qualify. The requirements settled on are as follows, and its recommended that a page meet two or more to stand on its own:

  1. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
  2. The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
  3. A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note 
  4. The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
  5. A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.

Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.

Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.

If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on May 28th 2024 at 8:53:56 PM

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#5551: Sep 29th 2024 at 7:47:08 PM

I feel the alternative of leaving her as the only agent off the page would be awkward.

Character Specific Page cleanup
MB74 Since: Feb, 2024 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5552: Sep 29th 2024 at 7:49:22 PM

I meant more-so maybe putting Obol in Part 1 for the time being (since the agent story, their only relevance, is unlocked and mandatory in chapter 2, and part 1 contains the agents for chapters 1-2)

Edited by MB74 on Sep 29th 2024 at 10:52:25 AM

I’ll lift my face, and run to the sunlight.
IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
StalkerGamer That's All, Folks! Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Love is an open door
#5554: Sep 29th 2024 at 8:15:01 PM

EDIT: Ignore this post.

Edited by StalkerGamer on Sep 30th 2024 at 12:14:14 PM

Kronger3124 IT'S TV TIME! from Your Walls Since: Nov, 2023 Relationship Status: Whoa, they're bisexual! I didn't know that!
#5555: Sep 30th 2024 at 10:31:40 AM

When it comes to Jujutsu Kaisen...

Also can we please not ignore my Undertale proposals?

lexii from London Since: Jul, 2009
#5556: Oct 1st 2024 at 2:58:01 AM

[up] Sorry your post was missed — I'm personally happy with this, as those four main Undertale characters that are currently CSP's wouldn't fit elsewhere, I don't think.

Edited by lexii on Oct 1st 2024 at 10:58:31 AM

Ruderuby Where’s the ”Dead Inside” club? from É du go’ eller? Since: Jul, 2022 Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Where’s the ”Dead Inside” club?
#5557: Oct 1st 2024 at 9:59:25 PM

Together it would be a total of around 191k bytes. Can I merge it?

Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
impracticaltroper Since: Jan, 2022 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#5560: Oct 2nd 2024 at 4:53:29 PM

I feel like we could merge the John Wick - John's Family page into the main John Wick (John Wick) character page. The Family page is very small and the characters listed there revolve entirely around their relationship to John.

Edited by impracticaltroper on Oct 2nd 2024 at 6:53:44 AM

StalkerGamer That's All, Folks! Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Love is an open door
#5561: Oct 2nd 2024 at 6:31:07 PM

Easy merge for Final Fantasy and John Wick suggestions

Edited by StalkerGamer on Oct 2nd 2024 at 10:43:44 AM

MB74 Since: Feb, 2024 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
#5563: Oct 2nd 2024 at 6:42:15 PM

x3[up]Feel free to merge John's pages.

Excessive-Menace Time to SLEEP from the Velvet Cage (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
Time to SLEEP
#5564: Oct 3rd 2024 at 3:05:02 AM

Characters.Goddess Of Victory Nikke is above 250K bytes, so perhaps it would be a good idea to split a section off into a new page. In particular, Team Counters can have their own page as their section has 105,308 bytes and their folders are very likely to increase in size given that they're the main characters of the main story.

SING TO ME, LEND ME THE SONG OF BLASPHEMY
Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
impracticaltroper Since: Jan, 2022 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#5566: Oct 3rd 2024 at 6:10:34 PM

The John Wick Family page has been merged.

Edited by impracticaltroper on Oct 4th 2024 at 12:06:15 PM

Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
#5567: Oct 4th 2024 at 2:25:07 PM

For Characters/TheSagaOfTanyaTheEvil. The main page has 90.2 KB and merging Tanya's page here would be 176 KB.

I feel I should merge these pages.

Edited by Echidna on Oct 4th 2024 at 5:25:50 AM

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#5568: Oct 4th 2024 at 5:49:58 PM

(Redacted)

Edited by IkeaHan on Oct 5th 2024 at 6:25:48 AM

Character Specific Page cleanup
ForgoLight The Ultimate Lifeform Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
The Ultimate Lifeform
#5569: Oct 4th 2024 at 6:02:13 PM

[up]Uh no? That wouldn't even come close to the length warning of 250k.

[up][up]I say go for it! [tup]!

"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
StalkerGamer That's All, Folks! Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Love is an open door
#5571: Oct 5th 2024 at 7:23:03 AM

[up]x5 The merge of John Wick looks confusing to me.

Edited by StalkerGamer on Oct 5th 2024 at 11:25:02 AM

Androne-5 Since: Feb, 2014
#5572: Oct 8th 2024 at 6:49:41 AM

So I decided to check the Miraculous Ladybug page just to see if any pages give the too long warning... Again.

Villains has reached the 250k bytes, but doesn't give the warning.

Meanwhile, Team Miraculous, despite only beating it by 10 k, actually DOES show the warning.

None of the other pages give off the warning, as far as I'm aware.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#5573: Oct 8th 2024 at 8:41:48 AM

[up]Probably close enough that Lila can be split off. See if she can be combined with Gabriel?

As for Team Miraculous: Split off by season?

Androne-5 Since: Feb, 2014
#5574: Oct 8th 2024 at 9:36:56 AM

[up]Combining her with Gabriel could be the most efficient due to being also a Butterfly wielder, but we also have to consider we might need to split her again if her page ends up becoming too long. Combining her with Gabriel brings the page to 200k+ bytes already.

As for the Miraculous Team:

Season 2 has 36,482 bytes without Chloe, but she's already on the Villains side and we don't know if she'll be redeemed ever again. Not enough to split off on their own.

Season 3 has 98,148 bytes, could be potentially split.

Season 4 has 131,356 bytes, and 53,168 of those bytes come from Felix's page alone.

Androne-5 Since: Feb, 2014
#5575: Oct 8th 2024 at 9:39:22 AM

Also, fun fact: Lila's folder has 87,041 bytes, while Chloe's folder has 90,494 bytes. I still think merging Lila with Gabriel may be for the best, but I just thought I'd bring it up.


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