Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
So only John and Arthur's pages should preferably be merged back?
@Sn 92 - the Four Kings move was put in place and approved because having those characters situated on the pages for the games in which they made their debuts will tip the pages either over or near to the 250k page byte count. This is the best fit for the characters in question, and can be viewed as an extension of the SF II page. (I’ve suggested an update to the naming convention).
Edited by lexii on Mar 12th 2024 at 5:12:38 PM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
So I wanted to discuss Sherlock Sherlock Holmes (53,800 bytes) and Sherlock John Watson (18,208 bytes) and merging them into the shared page.
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Sherlock and Watson can be merged, and Moriarty should be merged back with the Antagonists ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
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I guess I'll use Arch-Enemy for Moriarty's pothole at Complete Monster.
Also, people, when merging, please don't forget Character Specific Pages Byte Check.
EDIT: Also, thoughts on this? I'm leaning towards keeping Hanzo's page, but the other 3 can likely be merged back.
Edited by ACW on Mar 12th 2024 at 2:08:48 PM
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New post for some stuff:
Hannibal – Main Characters, Will Graham, Hannibal Lecter combined about 140k. Merge?
Arthur Pendragon & Morgana can be merged with Merlin – Main Cast? Would be about 160k. Merlin himself's probably fine (about 140k).
Monk Main Characters can probably take back Adrian Monk & Natalie Teeger (would be about 135k).
Mr. Robot: Main Characters can probably take back Mr. Robot: Elliot Alderson (would be about 160k) (but goddamn that formatting at the top's gonna be a pain).
Edited by ACW on Mar 12th 2024 at 2:23:58 PM
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
thumbs up from me
I guess it's because I'm not familiar with the work, but the MK page is quite hard to navigate (are there two versions of some characters?) - I think the three to merge back make sense
Edited by lexii on Mar 12th 2024 at 9:05:38 AM
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Yeah, MK has like 3 different continuities now. That's why I think keeping Hanzo as is works best.
Kronika, thank goodness, is only in 1 game; Kotal Khan's in 2 but a single continuity.
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Oh gosh ok, that makes sense with that in mind (thank you for the insight)
I don't know if merging back the Mr. Robot pages is necessary. Elliot's page has characters beside "himself" who are not main characters and is pretty spoiler heavy.
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Even merged back it's about 160k though...
EDIT: What about videos that are on pages that get merged back?
Edited by ACW on Mar 12th 2024 at 8:33:58 AM
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Okay handled the Sherlock pages.
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Some merge proposals for Characters.RWBY CSPs
The CSP pages for Ruby Rose, Weiss Schnee, Blake Belladonna, and Yang Xiao Long are 65,196, 48,758, 50,599, and 54,345 bytes respectively (218,898 bytes altogether), so I think they could be merged into a single page about Team RWBY.
Remerge Jaune Arc (72,452 bytes with Rusted Knight folder, 65,630 without) with Characters.RWBY Team JNPR (89,809 bytes + 65,630 bytes from Jaune's page = 155,439 bytes) and move the Rusted Knight folder to Characters.RWBY The Ever After.
Remerge Adam Taurus (71,020 bytes) back into Characters.RWBY White Fang (73,307 bytes).
EDIT: I'll take care of it. Plus, Salem and Cinder's CSPs are the only RWBY CSPs that can handle themselves.
Edited by angeldusthotel on Mar 12th 2024 at 10:51:46 AM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
- Community: The Study Group (133,238 bytes)
- Community: Jeff Winger (45,105 bytes)
- Community: Britta Perry (42,488 bytes)
Merged back it would be 220,831 bytes. So, I think it is safe to merge them back. Thoughts?
Edited by Bullman on Mar 12th 2024 at 11:07:57 AM
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I've merged Gabi back into Attack on Titan: Warrior Unit and turned her page into a redirect. Any opinions on what to do with the other CSPs for AOT? (barring Eren as he's too long to be merged with the Shinganshina Trio page)
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I did this. I tried to add Merlin to the Main Characters page, but too big.
Merlin's page seems big enough to stand on it's own. Putting his folders with the rest would boost it to ~300K bytes.
Edited by angeldusthotel on Mar 13th 2024 at 6:43:19 AM
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Yeah, I tried it to see if it would work, but it was throwing off the too big warning, so I'm keeping Merlin as is by himself.
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Okay, Transformers stuff:
- Beast Wars: Megatron and Beast Wars Predacons combined are under 200k. Don't know how to move the video example though.
- Transformers Film Series – Megatron going to Transformers Film Series – Decepticons would make the latter under 165k.
- Transformers: Prime: Megatron and Starscream could probably go to the main Decepticon page. Not too sure what to do about Transformers Prime: Unicron and the Terrorcons. Move to the Other Characters page?
EDIT: Okay, I got it. Before merging, please make sure to request any video examples get moved too. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16096748880A32952300
Edited by ACW on Mar 13th 2024 at 11:30:48 AM
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Any suggestions about this post?
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They can be merged; for Micah, just make it like
Or something.
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Adding Micah will barely miss the 250k byte threshold, I think.
#3710 Ok so if I get your comment right...
- We split the Main Characters page into "MC - Ruins to Snowdin" (Frisk, Flowey, Toriel, Papyrus) and "MC - Waterfall to Endgame" (Undyne, Alphys, Mettaton, Asgore)
- Merge the Monsters and Others pages into one big page
- Move Asriel to Spoiler Characters
- Only Sans and Chara keep their pages
If I get your comment right, then yeah I could work with that. Anyone else have any suggestions?
I think it might be best to keep Dutch's page due to size
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