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Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.

The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.


This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:

  • Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
  • Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
  • Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
  • Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
  • Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
  • Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.

Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.

If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.

Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.


We also have some more general threads for character page help -
  • Character Page Cleanup: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
  • Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
  • Character pages for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have a dedicated thread here.
If these issues are spotted for a CSP, they are on-topic here as well — but as they're not the focus of this thread, you might sometimes choose to raise them on one of the others instead.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
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There are several persistent issues with the quality of Character Specific Pages. Now that there are official requirements for creating new pages, this thread can be hub for cleaning up pages with issues or that don't qualify. The requirements settled on are as follows, and its recommended that a page meet two or more to stand on its own:

  1. Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
  2. The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
  3. A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note 
  4. The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
  5. A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.

Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.

Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.

If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on May 28th 2024 at 8:53:56 PM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#2601: Jun 24th 2023 at 6:54:27 AM

Understood, thanks for the heads up

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2602: Jun 24th 2023 at 7:04:31 AM

Whose post was thumped?

To move away from Spider-Man for a second, I made Sandbox.Arcane Vi and she is 41,239 bytes. Without her the OG Arcane: Main Characters page would still be 81,728 bytes. Thoughts? Am I good to launch or is it not worth splitting just yet?

Edited by Bullman on Jun 24th 2023 at 9:43:13 AM

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Jobyrdthegamerbyrd Since: Aug, 2017
#2603: Jun 24th 2023 at 7:49:06 AM

Hey just saw the message. Sorry, meant to post a message here before I made the page but I forgot to. I did mean to say how the byte went up from the last time it was discussed (over 40,000). But thanks for letting me know about the unauthorization, wasn’t aware we actually had to comment here first

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#2604: Jun 24th 2023 at 7:50:51 AM

[up][up]Sure split. Sounds fine.

Edited by miraculous on Jun 24th 2023 at 7:51:04 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2605: Jun 24th 2023 at 7:54:25 AM

I'm fine with Vi being split off there Bull.

Can we possibly continue discussion on this about Ghostface?

It sort of fizzled a few weeks back.

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#2606: Jun 24th 2023 at 8:11:24 AM

[up][up][up][up] Self-thumped as I screwed up the pings and edits won't fix that.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2607: Jun 24th 2023 at 8:25:00 AM

[up] Oh okay.

[up][up] Sure. I'm still not sure if they would be too confusing or not.

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ImMelIThink An Intruder from Not Reality! Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
An Intruder
#2608: Jun 24th 2023 at 5:31:36 PM

I was not aware that we had to discuss it, apologies. I'm still new in this kind of stuff. I'll be more aware of stuff like this.

Nothing is worth the risk.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#2609: Jun 25th 2023 at 5:24:33 PM

Why isn't Sheev Palpatine's page at the page that uses his name, as opposed to his title?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2610: Jun 25th 2023 at 5:25:38 PM

I don't know the naming for the Star Wars pages confuses me.

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#2611: Jun 25th 2023 at 5:30:01 PM

Emperor Palpatine is far more known for his name than Sheev. It’s the same reason why Voldemort’s page is at Lord Voldemort and why The Spot is at that name too.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#2612: Jun 25th 2023 at 6:02:03 PM

[up] I suppose.

I still think one or the other should be a redirect.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jun 25th 2023 at 9:03:00 AM

Furygildeman Since: Nov, 2017
#2613: Jun 25th 2023 at 8:18:54 PM

I’m currently working on a X Men Genosha page. It would include novice the Genegineer and many characters from Genosha Military and Government as well as Mutants from the Excalibur run who don’t have folders yet. Also Genegineer is very misrepresented in his folder as a sympathetic figure when he has never been such so so cleanup is required on that

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#2614: Jun 26th 2023 at 1:28:46 AM

[up] Are any of them immediately likely to be big enough to justify their own page?

If not, it's probably more of a question for the other Character page cleanup thread, especially if this will be moving any existing character sheets between pages.

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#2615: Jun 26th 2023 at 3:32:37 PM

League Of Legends Fiddlesticks

Im trying to reconcile this character having two folders split across different retcons and continuities.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2616: Jun 26th 2023 at 4:07:33 PM

None of the others include both versions from what I can tell.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#2617: Jun 26th 2023 at 4:10:51 PM

I think Swain has that as well?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#2618: Jun 26th 2023 at 4:13:41 PM

It's for characters that get completely reworked in League (VGUs). It results in all the tropes for their lore and gameplay being split apart

Edited by IkeaHan on Jun 26th 2023 at 4:13:49 AM

Character Specific Page cleanup
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2619: Jun 26th 2023 at 4:30:25 PM

In that case I am unsure what to do as I have never handled something like that before

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2620: Jun 26th 2023 at 5:47:47 PM

What did we decide to do about Miles and Miguel?

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IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#2621: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:09:17 AM

Someone just made a ton of pages for Total Drama characters. I don't recall any discussion or notice about those. Do any of them even seem cleaned up?

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#2622: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:10:11 AM

I also see someone made a page for Breaking Bad: Hector Salamanca. I don't have time to check it right now - does it meet the requirements?

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#2623: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:23:22 AM

[up] 43,809 bytes, but looks as if it might shrink a bit. Only seeing a handful of non-Character tropes in a quick scan, but some examples seem longer than they may need to be.

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Franchouchou Sponsor
#2624: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:34:34 AM

I had a sandbox for Hector set up to clean his folder. But it seemed like somebody launched it on their own without any consultation first.

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#2625: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:50:36 AM

Okay, I'm pinging ~impracticaltroper because I see they completely reorganized the Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul pages entirely. All due respect but you've been told not to unilaterally move things before, so why did you do it again?


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