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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#126: Mar 23rd 2022 at 9:23:33 AM

[up]Ehh, if Spider-Verse only got a PG, then Lightyear probably will too.

Edited by lbssb on Mar 23rd 2022 at 9:23:40 AM

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walking-wolf from The Northlands Since: Mar, 2022
#127: Mar 23rd 2022 at 3:36:59 PM

Changing topics... has someone been fiddling with the movie even after its release? I'm specifically talking about the scene where Grandmother Lee gives Mei her own version of the "don't let the panda out" warning. When I first watched it a few days ago, I thought Grandmother Lee said that if Mei let the panda out too often, she could become locked in the panda form forever. I'm not the only one, either - that idea was all over the tropes pages for Turning Red. But I rewatched it last night, and this time Grandmother just repeated Ming's original warning: that every time Mei transforms, the panda becomes stronger. If she transforms too often, the ritual will fail "and you will never be free of it" — ie, Mei will have to deal with the panda transformation, and the need to rigidly control her emotions at all times, for the rest of her life. The threat of getting mode-locked in panda form was gone.

Was it ever really there, or did a bunch of people all misinterpret Grandmother Lee's warning the same way?

"Narn, Centauri, Human, we all do what we do for the same reason: it seemed like a good idea at the time." - Ambassador G'kar, Babylon 5
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#128: Mar 23rd 2022 at 7:42:48 PM

I watched it on the day it released and I remember the grandmother saying that Mei would "never be free of it" if she went into panda mode too much. I never honestly got the sense that Mei would be locked into the form, just that the ritual locking the panda away would be made more difficult. And it did look more difficult for Mei, seeing what a struggle it was for her to attempt to go through the mirror in the spirit plane.

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magnumtropus Since: Aug, 2020
#129: Mar 23rd 2022 at 8:12:16 PM

[up][up] Maybe a lot of people noticed this (ok, not maybe - definitely), so I guess they changed it to be less... erroneous. It's just a line that needed to be changed

Edited by magnumtropus on Mar 23rd 2022 at 3:14:04 PM

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#130: Mar 24th 2022 at 12:04:33 AM

TBH, I didn't get that interpretation the first time through and I watched within the first weekend. I think it's just a line that's easy to misinterpret, especially since "Mode Lock" is a common trope in transformation stories and one might just connect that as the intention without a second thought.

I also don't think Mei was having difficulty removing her Panda in the mirror; or at least not more so than expected. It's that she saw the damage she was causing to herself by literally severing part of herself away.

As for why it's easy for the older family members to do it later; they've been separated from their Pandas for decades at this point; their entire lives really. Those Pandas weren't part of them by this point. To go with the metaphor; it's not really part of who they are at this point so it's easy to separate the panda again.

Edited by InkDagger on Mar 24th 2022 at 12:05:22 PM

walking-wolf from The Northlands Since: Mar, 2022
#131: Mar 24th 2022 at 3:45:10 AM

[up] "It's that she saw the damage she was causing to herself by literally severing part of herself away."

This. And also something else, I think: it's subtle, but by this time Mei has been established as having a great deal of empathy for creatures in distress: "save the whales," and the photos of deforestation and the "sad orangutan". At Tyler's party, she refuses to let the goth girls be wallflowers. Then during the ritual she looks back and sees her panda spirit in distress. What's she going to do? Turn her back on it?

"Narn, Centauri, Human, we all do what we do for the same reason: it seemed like a good idea at the time." - Ambassador G'kar, Babylon 5
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#132: Mar 27th 2022 at 6:11:06 AM

On another note...

I'm just gonna say I'm really impressed with the facial animations in this movie. Pixar hit it out of the ballpark on this front.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#133: Mar 27th 2022 at 6:20:00 AM

[up]They are those over-the-top animesque expressions that we often see in 2010s 2D cartoons (Steven Universe used them a lot, for instance), but seldom in 3D.

I recall that one of the final gags in Inside Out is that the emotions find a "Puberty" button in the Headquarters, and a lot of people were joking that the movie's sequel will be entirely about Riley's puberty. Well, it's not an Inside Out sequel, but we got Pixar's puberty movie.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#134: Mar 27th 2022 at 6:21:48 AM

The girl in this movie's control room has a red panda who keeps breaking into the control room to hijack things and kicking the other emotions out!

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Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#135: Mar 27th 2022 at 6:27:46 AM

[up][up]I love the implication that if your emotions never feel like pressing that button then you will apparently keep a child's body for your entire life.

Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#136: Mar 27th 2022 at 2:34:53 PM

[up][up]It would definitely be fun to see what the Headquarters look like in Mei's mind. "Any strong emotion can release the panda", after all.

Trooper924 from the Spawn Nebula Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Hiding
#137: Mar 27th 2022 at 4:11:09 PM

[up] There's a Big Red Button marked "Panda Mode" on her control panel that all the emotions gleefully smash at every opportunity.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#138: Mar 27th 2022 at 5:52:31 PM

One of What Could Have Been concepts trending for this film is the reveal of Leo - a proposed male cousin of Mei (designed by Maria Yi). Interestingly, he has a variation of the red panda, and developed early enough to still have the size-shifting ability. According to Domee Shi's Instagram status, he was eventually cut to focus more on Mei's relationships with her friends and mother, but his personality was transplanted into Tyler.

Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#139: Mar 28th 2022 at 2:12:17 AM

So in that version, it wasn't only the women who inherited the panda powers.

...wait, are those panda-nipples on Leo's chest, somehow visible through his fur?

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#140: Apr 6th 2022 at 11:51:30 AM

Producer Lindsey Collins and director Domee Shi are getting promoted.

Shi has been named vice president of creative, joining directors Andrew Stanton, Peter Sohn and Dan Scanlon (who also carry that title) in guiding the studio’s filmmakers on their own productions as part of the famed Pixar Braintrust. She will report to Morris and Docter.

After starting at Pixar as an intern, Shi was hired as a story artist on “Inside Out” and has worked on “The Good Dinosaur,” “Incredibles 2” and “Toy Story 4.” Her 2018 short, “Bao,” won the Academy Award for best animated short. With “Turning Red,” Shi is the first woman ever to be a solo director on a Pixar feature. According to Disney, the movie was the No. 1 film premiere on Disney Plus in the streamer’s history.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#141: Apr 10th 2022 at 10:39:55 PM

[up] Congrats on them for the well-deserved promotion!

Furthermore, the physical release of Turning Red is coming on May 3. It will contain some deleted and behind-the-scenes content.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#142: Apr 11th 2022 at 2:19:01 PM

[up][up][up][up]I see, I really wish he was in the movie since I find tyler very granting and easly the worst part of the movie.

"And I think that if this film had been made by a male team, you'd get a lot of those jokes."

Mostly yeah, the story really took seriously going to the concert as thing worth having not matter how unrealistic that was, it feel....odd(in a good way) to see that.

Edited by unknowing on Apr 11th 2022 at 5:21:30 AM

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luisedgarf from Mexico Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#143: Apr 11th 2022 at 11:35:40 PM

While agreed on "Disney is homophobic" (and then going "oh gee, sure would love to be more inclusive but that gosh-darn Chinese market makes us look homophobic even in works where China is irrelevant"), it sounds like you're just making the case that Miriam is Mei's best friend. Which she is. I can see Miriam being queer (as you mentioned, she has a "lumberjack lesbian" vibe and that's not insignificant shorthand... though honestly being a teenager in Maine at around that time people do just wear a lot of flannel in the north, straight girls included), but a secret Mei queer story being cut due to the mouse sounds... unlikely.

Who knows, and that without going with the fact, from what I discussed with my family about the film a few days ago, that most of the film wouldn't had fly if the characters were ethnic Chinese from mainland China rather than Chinese-Canadians, starting with Mei's red hair in school, and the fact that, considering the Surprisingly Realistic Outcome, destroying an stadium and paying for damages would be the Lees' least of their worries if the same event had ocurred in China.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#144: Apr 12th 2022 at 1:09:48 AM

To be fair, the red hair was due to the Panda, not dying it. Even if it's construed as "Unnatural Hair Color", it's not a conscious choice on the character so plausible deniablity.

luisedgarf from Mexico Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#145: Apr 12th 2022 at 5:05:30 AM

[up] Correct me if I am wrong, but considering the time period the film takes place, and other cultural quirks between China and Canada (and by default, other western countries), Mei and her family would had to explain why she suddenly had red hair without going with the excuse of dyeing red, since, from what I heard about Chinese schools, they are pretty strict about their students' physical appearance, at least more than Japan or South Korea.

Edited by luisedgarf on Apr 12th 2022 at 7:06:34 AM

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#146: Apr 12th 2022 at 2:42:32 PM

Oh. I misread the comment. I thought you were talking about out-of-universe reaction to the film had it been set in mainland china, not an in-universe reaction. My mistake.

walking-wolf from The Northlands Since: Mar, 2022
#147: Apr 20th 2022 at 5:25:06 PM

A few messages up, M84 wrote: "I'm just gonna say I'm really impressed with the facial animations in this movie. Pixar hit it out of the ballpark on this front."

I had a similar thought. I'm impressed by the fact that in two places in particular, the animators threw away the traditional exaggerated expressions that populate most Western animation as well as anime, and instead went for subtlety. The first is when we see Mei in panda form after she broke her ritual: the play of expressions across her face tells us exactly what she's thinking without getting cartoonish about it. The second is when Mei finds her mother on the astral plane: the two of them exchange far more information with their expressions than they do with their words - but again, it's done subtly. I honestly don't remember the last time I saw an animated film handle a scene that important without using either exaggerated expressions and gestures or "let's make sure the audience can't possibly miss the point" dialogue. Or both.

"Narn, Centauri, Human, we all do what we do for the same reason: it seemed like a good idea at the time." - Ambassador G'kar, Babylon 5
SantosLHalper Since: Aug, 2009
#148: May 31st 2022 at 3:32:24 PM

I first watched this movie in March, but I'd like to share some of my 5 centsnote  on this.

First and foremost, as a millennial Korean-Canadian who lived all his life in Toronto, this movie was almost surreal. I live on the opposite side of Toronto, but I've been to Chinatown a lot, to the point where I can literally pinpoint to you where some of the shots are. Finally, while this movie was obviously about a different ethnicity and religion than myself, they definitely hit a lot of the family dynamics, the intergenerational conflicts and the struggle between maintaining an Asian cultural identity versus the realities of life in the Westnote  right on target (and way too close for it to be a comfortable watch in some parts).

There were some parts where, as a Torontonian I was kind of disappointed by, like how the characters incorrectly pronounce Toronto as To-ron-to instead of T(o)-ro-no or Chron-o, and the Anachronism Stew in some parts (the skyline, the fact that the Skydome is called the Rogers Centre 2 years before it got renamed, etc), but for the most part I think it captured the Asian-Canadian community really well.

Edited by SantosLHalper on May 31st 2022 at 6:42:01 AM

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#149: Jun 17th 2022 at 10:13:12 AM

Viz Media is publishing a companion manga to the film in 2023, focusing on the the boy band 4*Town:

The comic, authored by Dirchansky and drawn by KAlfee, tweaks the focus towards the band and has the title “Disney and Pixar’s Turning Red: 4*Town 4*Real: The Manga.” Viz says it: “takes you behind the music of Canada’s greatest nineties boy band, 4*Town.”

An official synopsis reads: “4*Townies are hyped to see 4*Town performing their favorite hits live, but how will Canada’s greatest boy band spend the day leading up to their epic Toronto concert? Hang with Robaire, Jesse, Tae Young, Aaron T, and Aaron Z as they enjoy a rare break in their busy schedules! Jesse and Tae Young embrace their artistic side and visit a ceramics museum, Aaron T gets his fashion on at the mall, and Aaron Z and Robaire stay in the dance studio to master their moves before the sold-out show. Only the realest fans deserve to get this up close and personal with Tween Beat Magazine’s Hottest Band of the Year!”

JoyandPeace heartless from fishbowl space Since: Jan, 2016 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#150: Jun 20th 2022 at 2:47:26 AM

Turning red getting a manga... oh okay... *looks closer* wait it's all about 4 town!!?

Not going to lie though, I'm kind of living for this news. Given their bios and everything I wish we saw more of them in the film.

Bide your time, and Hold out Hope — GANKUTSUOU Just because it's irrational, doesn't mean it's not real.

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